Editor Interview: Meredith Mundy (Abrams Appleseed)

Welcome to Meredith Mundy, the Editorial Director at Abrams Appleseed. With a career spanning over two decades, Meredith’s keen eye for quality has helped discover and nurture many talented authors and illustrators. Her work on everything from an alphabet book showcasing Persian foods to a picture book debut (with flaps to lift!) about a very picky panda shows her dedication to uncovering hidden gems and bringing them to a wider audience

Meredith’s dedication goes beyond her role as an editor, as she is known to champion authors with unique vision and talent. Her triumph in giving the green light to projects that are unconventional yet promising showcases her leadership in the field.

To give you a glimpse into Meredith’s personality and passions, here are 7 Fun Facts:

  • Favorite Picture Book Characters from Childhood: Sam, from Sam, Bangs & Moonshine by Evaline Ness, and Lyle from Lyle, Lyle Crocodile by Bernard Waber
  • Current Picture Book Favorites (not from Abrams): School’s First Day of School by Adam Rex and Christian Robinson, Love in the Library by Maggie Tokuda-​Hall and Yas Imamura, A Sick Day for Amos McGee by Philip C. Stead and Erin E. Stead
  • Best Moment in Editing: Every time I’ve helped an author find the perfect title (so much harder than it looks!)
  • Favorite Picture Book Genre: Anything with humor and heart—fiction or nonfiction
  • Motto for Selecting Manuscripts: Is it special enough?
  • Go-​To Bookstore: McNally Jackson Books at South Street Seaport (excellent children’s section)
  • Culinary Talent: I make a mean brunch: artichoke & red pepper quiche + my mom’s Morning Glory Muffin recipe

What a list, right?

Now, without further ado, let’s dive into the interview and uncover more about Meredith and her work in the kidlit industry!


RVC: When did you realize editing was your pathway forward?

MM: My brilliant 6th grade teacher, Mrs. Meyers, allowed each of her students to pick out someone in the community to shadow for an entire day. Some kids shadowed veterinarians, firefighters, train conductors, but I wanted to “meet the person who makes the books,” so she connected me with an editor at a local publisher, and I was hooked! He was so passionate about his work, and the fact that he got to read for much of the day sealed the deal.

RVC: When you were getting your BA in Comparative Literature with a minor in Studio Art at Smith College, what was the intended career outcome?

MM: As improbable as it sounds, I held onto my dream of being “the person who makes the books” from 6th grade all the way through college, serving as a peer writing tutor and library assistant as part of my work-​study arrangement, and taking two years of bookmaking with the intensely talented woodcut artist and sculptor Elliot Offner. In that class we were required to write, illustrate, typeset (lead letter by delicate lead letter, sometimes using tweezers, especially for the skinny lowercase “i”), print, bind, and sell a small print run of books. What an experience it was to create a book from beginning to end like that! I always sort of assumed I would be an editor of adult books, but when I did an informational interview with a Smith alum who adored her job as a children’s book editor and knew of an editorial assistant position, I jumped at the chance, and I haven’t looked back.

RVC: I’ve got to ask. How was your junior year abroad at the Sorbonne?

MM: Fantastique! (Or, as my French pen pal would have written back in the day: “Super-​mega-​top!”) There is nothing more humbling or more eye-​opening than living as a foreigner in a foreign land. In my program, we were not allowed to speak English, so our language skills improved quickly out of sheer survival necessity. It was intimidating to take classes in French, but I loved the novels we read, especially L’amant (The Lover) by Marguerite Duras and Que Ma Joie Demeure (That My Joy Remain) by Jean Giono. Amazing books.

RVC: You’ve worked at a lot of big publishers, but you’ve been with Abrams for about six years. Why is that a great fit? 

MM: I’ve loved every publishing job I’ve had and am so grateful for the incredible mentors who taught me how to be an editor while on the job. Abrams is a great fit because at this stage in my career what I value most is the support of a brilliant team and a lot of creative freedom. Our publisher and associate publisher truly value and reward editors’ passions and instincts, which is a tremendous gift.

RVC: What’s the most important thing for people to know or understand about Appleseed?

MM: We try to never underestimate the capacity of a young reader and want all kids to be able to see themselves in our books.

RVC: What’s the philosophy behind Appleseed books? How do you ensure a wide readership?

MM: From its inception, Appleseed has been about pairing the comfort of familiar objects or situations with a twist on the familiar—something unexpected. When acquiring new projects, we look for aspects that make a book as universal as possible, but we’re also thrilled by book submissions that appear at first to be somewhat narrow in scope but are just too delightful or special to resist and in fact could end up reaching a wide readership.

RVC: What’s the most difficult aspect of your work?

MM: Dealing with the financial challenges of making four-​color books. There hasn’t been a book yet that I haven’t been able to make due to high costs, but there is a ton of time-​consuming, behind-​the-​scenes trial and error effort involved in getting a P&L (profit and loss sheet) for a picture book or board book to balance before an offer can even be made to an author or illustrator.

RVC: What is your approach to editing a picture book manuscript? How do you work with authors to maintain their vision while enhancing the story?

MM: As much as possible, I try to take the “I” out of the equation. It doesn’t matter what “I” think or want—what matters is shaping the best possible version of an author’s manuscript for the benefit of their readers. So, I ask a LOT of questions in my editorial notes, which gives authors the opportunity to solve problems in whatever way feels right to them. Nine times out of ten, a solution an author comes back with surprises and delights me and is better than anything I would have thought to suggest.

RVC: In your experience, what are some common mistakes made by authors writing picture books, and how can they avoid them?

MM: 90% of the time, we reject a submission because it’s just not special or original enough. Absolutely everyone thinks they can write a book for children. And that’s true! But can everyone write a children’s book that adds something truly new and needed to what’s already out there? That’s a much bigger challenge.

RVC: What’s the most memorable piece of advice you’ve given to a picture book author that made a significant difference in their work?

MM: A few years ago I received a young rhyming picture book submission about penguins that was well-​written and funny but too slight for a hardcover. I rejected it but then couldn’t stop thinking about it—the writing stuck with me. I emailed the agent back and asked if the author might consider really delving into the subject and making the book nonfiction. The author revised expertly, writing a lyrical (still-​rhyming) nonfiction text with a terrific author’s note about the incredible hardships endured by emperor penguins as they raise their chicks, and in its new form, I was able to acquire it! It’s Penguin Journey, written by Angela Burke Kunkel and illustrated by Catherine Odell.

RVC: I love that story…almost as much as I love penguins (which is a LOT!). Now, please share insights on current trends in picture books, and where you think the industry is headed.

MM: Picture book editors across the industry are striving toward greater inclusivity and these efforts will continue to inform editorial decisions. We want our readers and their families to see themselves in the characters and settings and situations pictured in our books. With all the book-​banning threats cropping up across the U.S., many publishers are defiantly publishing for ALL readers who need to be seen and validated.

RVC: In previous interviews, you’ve mentioned the importance of finding the right “comp” titles. How has this approach evolved over the years, and how does it inform your decision-​making process?

MM: Comparison titles continue to be a very important part of the acquisitions process, allowing our Sales, Marketing, and Publicity teams to see where a prospective book might fit in the marketplace and on our list. If we can find already-​published books that prove a particular topic or genre is wanted and needed by book-​buyers, then it’s much easier for the acquisitions team to imagine a brand-​new project forging a successful path. Even a book proposal that appears to be a true one-​of-​a-​kind can be creatively compared to something else on the market. That’s one way comp title lists have evolved—we’re not necessarily looking for one-​to-​one comparisons, but rather glimpses into what a book’s potential could be compared to other books that have found a welcoming readership.

RVC: How do you build consensus within your in-​house team to take a chance on unique or unconventional projects? What challenges have you faced in this process?

MM: It all starts in our editorial meetings, where editors bring promising submissions and discuss the upsides and downsides of each one. There’s really no such thing as “not my cup of tea.” Is the book something readers need that doesn’t already exist in the world? Is there a hole in the market that a book would fill? If the answer to one or both questions is “yes,” and enough people are enthusiastic about a project, it goes to our Pub Board for discussion with the larger group, including Sales, Marketing, and Publicity. In both these meetings editors need to make a convincing argument for why a book and/​or creator belong on the list.

It is sometimes challenging to make a case for a book that at first appears as though it might have a limited audience, but if you can find the universal elements in a project that would appeal to the greatest number of readers OR if you can convince the team that a book might just be the first on a particular topic, then a book often gets a green light. We so appreciate agents and authors who help us make these arguments by including detailed information in their cover letters!

RVC: What are some upcoming picture book projects that you’re particularly excited about?

MM: I’m excited about ALL of them, but I’ll pick four coming out in 2024 that have been especially delightful to work on: a joyful celebration of great Black leaders called Hair Like Obama’s, Hands Like LeBron’s written by Carole Boston Weatherford and illustrated by Savanna Durr; a very funny approach to social etiquette and making guests feel welcome called We’re Having a Party (for Everyone!), written and illustrated by Katie Vernon; an empowering story about a girl performing for the first time in her mother’s mariachi band called Mamiachi and Me written by mother-​son duo Jolene and Dakota Gutiérrez and illustrated by Mirelle Ortega; and a dreamy alphabet book about mindfulness called ABCs for a Peaceful Me written by Shelly Becker and illustrated by Dan Yaccarino.

RVC: Hold onto your apples, folks, because it’s now time for the EXTENDED SPEED ROUND with double the fun as normal. WOWZA! Here come a whole bunch of blasty-​fasty questions followed by an equal number of zippy-​zappy answers. Are you ready, Meredith?

MM: Lay ’em on me!

RVC: Funniest word in the English language?

MM: Flibbertigibbet!

RVC: If animals could talk, which would be the most annoying?

MM: Squirrels.

RVC: Go‑to song for the car when you’re driving by yourself?

MM: Whatever’s playing on XM Radio’s Broadway station. This morning: “Consider Yourself” from Oliver!

RVC: Favorite time of day?

MM: 5:30am when the birds start chirping.

RVC: Favorite summer activity?

MM: Night swimming.

RVC: Favorite kind of tea?

MM: Harney & Sons Vanilla Comoro.

RVC: Favorite practical joke to play on houseguests?

MM: Life-​size rubber alligator in the bathtub!

RVC: Books on your nightstand right now?

MM: The Sorrows of Others by Ada Zhang, Musical Tables by Billy Collins, and my “One Line a Day” 5‑year memory journal.

RVC: What’s a book that changed your perspective on picture books?

MM: Where the Wild Things Are, by Maurice Sendak. I took a college seminar on children’s books at Smith and we spent a VERY long time dissecting the design and text and character arc within that single 48-​page book. Getting a guided tour of its inner workings gave me my first inkling that the picture book was an art form I wanted to dive into more deeply.

RVC: What’s the biggest risk you’ve taken in your career?

MM: Jumping from a house where I was editing books for readers of all ages to my current position in which I edit only books for 0–5 (with the occasional older outlier). It’s been a joy to focus deeply on one age group, but it definitely felt like a risky move at first.

RVC: Final question! What’s one word that best describes your editing style?

MM: Collaborative.

RVC: Thanks so much, Meredith!

Editor Interview: Sandra Sutter (Gnome Road)

Welcome to Sandra Sutter, the dynamic force behind Gnome Road Publishing, a vibrant press that is lighting the way for readers young and old. With a mission to produce books that engage, inform, and bring joy to the world, Sandra’s press is all about that “R” factor…Re-Readability!

Here’s Sandra’s wonderful mission statement to give us a glimpse into the soul of Gnome Road:

To Our Readers: We produce books that engage and inform, develop and strengthen a love for reading, and bring smiles and laughter to the world. Our books are made with all readers in mind…”

Just a few aspects to make you go “Wow!”:

  • Gnome Road Publishing focuses on creating cherished, lasting books that light the way on a lifetime of reading adventures.
  • Sandra’s dedication to her creatives is unmatched, offering respect, support, and fostering collaboration and community.
  • Their approach to picture books emphasizes both engagement and education, crafting stories that can be read time and again.

Intrigued? You should be! Let’s dive into the interview and discover the unique insights and wisdom Sandra Sutter has to share about the world of picture books, her own press, and the ever-​fascinating picture book industry.

Prepare to be inspired! 📚✨

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SS: That is such a lovely introduction! Thank you for inviting me to your blog to share more about Gnome Road Publishing with your readers.

RVC: We’re happy to have you here, Sandra, and we want to know more. So, please share your journey into the publishing world before founding Gnome Road Publishing. What experiences shaped your decision to start your own press?

SS: Many people may already know that I authored two picture books with another small press, so it is likely no surprise to hear that this was part of my journey into the publishing arena. Probably less well known is that I was once an attorney, mediator, and before that, an addictions counselor. My education, training and experience in those roles definitely shaped who I am as a publisher. They all dealt with bringing people or ideas together, using language and reshaping it to communicate with an audience, and looking at situations systemically. That and needing to be very organized!

RVC: Sounds like perfect training.

SS: Looking back, I can see how my work in those positions drove my desire to find a similar fit in the publishing world.

RVC: Tell us about a challenge you faced earlier in your career that taught you a valuable lesson you’ve applied to your work at Gnome Road Publishing?

SS: When my first book was published (as an author), I did not have the benefit of pre-​release professional reviews. These are very important in directing attention to a book and gaining visibility as a publishing house. We do this for all GRP title releases.

RVC: That’s a useful thing for sure! What’s the most important thing people should know or understand about Gnome Road?

SS: We hope that all young readers can find at least one book at GRP that they love and want to read over and over again. This is central to our mission and helps us in selecting new stories. We like variety, finding new talent, and creating books with layered themes that can reach as many readers as possible.

RVC: You’ve mentioned being an author as well. How does that background help you in your gnomework?

SS: Gnomework! I love that!

RVC: It’s a winner word, no doubt. Feel free to use it regularly.

SS: Apart from the answer that it helps with editing and recognizing good writing, already being part of the Kidlit community helped me tremendously in spreading the word about GRP and finding talented authors and illustrators. I’m also pretty fast at typing–which helps in completing my gnomework.

RVC: Tell us the story behind your first picture book.

SS: I’m going to talk about the first picture book published by GRP rather than my own.

RVC: Fair enough!

SS: Technically, there are two since they came out on the same day. They are Animals in Surprising Shades: Poems About Earth’s Colorful Creatures by Susan Johnston Taylor (illustrated by Annie Bakst) and Science, Matter and the Baseball Park by Catherine Ciocchi (illustrated by Chantelle and Burgen Thorne). In both cases, I knew almost immediately that I wanted to acquire them. They seemed like an excellent fit with the GRP mission statement. Susan’s presentation of poems and carefully constructed sidebar information was enough for me to ask for more–and then to sign the project when she delivered. And Catherine’s rhyming, science-​infused baseball book had kid-​appeal practically dripping off the pages.

RVC: What was the most important thing you learned from that book?

SS: These were some of the first books to test my ability to pair text with the right illustrations. Personally, I think we hit it out of the ballpark (bad pun intended). It is not an easy process, but I’ve learned that being patient and trusting my instincts will pay off.

RVC: You seem astonishingly busy. (from your website: “We are also parents, business owners, and all-​around daily task-​masters.”) How do you manage wearing so many hats?

SS: Yes, that’s true. I’ve had nights I get up at 3:00 am to do work and manage my anxiety about getting it all done. It helps to be organized, too. As things evolved at GRP, I learned to delegate more and have found some great people to help out with different tasks or in areas that would take me two or three times as long (maybe more) to get something done. That helps a lot!

RVC: Why is Louisville the right place for Gnome Road to be located?

SS: That’s an easy one. I live here. It would be hard to locate it somewhere else.

RVC: Hah, great answer! Now, how do you approach the collaboration between authors and illustrators in the creation of a picture book?

SS: Since picture books reflect the vision of both an author and illustrator (actually, of more people–including agents, editors, critique partners, etc.), both parties need to feel heard and to have room to express themselves. I start by finding out more about the author’s vision for the book (if not an author-​illustrator) and ask to see some images that appeal to them. I share a few that interest me, and we discuss potential styles and/​or artists.

Once the illustrator is on board, we talk about the author’s vision early in the process and discuss what the illustrator has in mind. The author is looped in again a little later when character sketches and thumbnails/​storyboards are completed to share thoughts. At that point, the illustrator takes the reins until the images are nearly complete.

RVC: What’s your philosophy on balancing educational content with entertainment in picture books?

SS: I think kids inherently love to learn and to share knowledge with others. And what better way to learn something new than through a book? But still, if readers aren’t connecting with the material and enjoying the experience, then a book won’t be of interest to them for very long. Nor will they want to share it with anyone else. So, entertainment is very important–which is, of course, a different experience for each reader. Bright, vivid illustrations, or soft quiet pastels. Humorous dialogue, or a rhyming informational text. All styles can carry entertainment value. The tricky part is finding how to balance it in the right amounts for each project.

RVC: Please share an example of a particularly successful picture book from Gnome Road and what made it stand out.

SS: One that really stands out this year is My Piano by Jen Fier Jasinski, illustrated by Anita Bagdi. Jen’s writing is superb. She effectively layers social-​emotional themes on top of describing how a piano works (in rhyme and cumulative structure). My team fell in love with the manuscript immediately.

And then…I found Anita to illustrate. She truly nailed it. Somehow she wrapped technical illustrations, an adorable main character, and the magical feel of music all together in one package. It recently earned a starred review from School Library Journal. Hooray!

RVC: How does Gnome Road Publishing ensure the “R” factor (Re-​Readability) in the picture books you publish?

SS: I can refer you to my prior answer about balancing educational and entertainment elements as that has something to do with it. But one thing I think all books with the “R” factor have is layers. Some people might call these hooks, but I think it goes deeper than that. A book that kids want to read over and over again is going to do more than hook them. It’s going to hold their attention long after they finish reading it. In that sense, I think the story has to touch them in a personal way. We hope to produce books that can do that for children from all walks of life. Ensuring the “R” factor means staying open to new topics, perspectives, art and communication styles.

RVC: What are some of the common pitfalls you notice in picture book submissions, and how can authors avoid them?

SS: Do your homework about what a publishing house is looking for or not looking for (in other words, read the information on the submissions page and do some research). See if they have published or will soon publish something that is similar to your project. If they are small–like GRP–then they likely aren’t looking for something on the same topic right away. If asked to limit submissions to one per submission window, please refrain from sending multiple manuscripts. In short, I think being professional, following the requested formats, and staying within the interests of the publishing house will give you a much better chance at getting published.

RVC: I’m intrigued by the Little Gnome imprint. Tell me more!

SS: I think the answer may disappoint you. Originally, we split GRP into different imprints that were rearranged when we decided to focus solely on picture books for a while. If/​when we decide to open up to board books and projects that might be suitable for the 0–3 age group, then Little Gnome will be the imprint used for those.

RVC: One more question for this part of the interview. It’s brag time. What are some exciting Gnome Road things we should be looking for?

SS: Well, a couple of our titles are set up to have sequels, and there might be a few announcements about that coming soon. We have also had some lovely reviews and several titles recognized for great writing or illustrations. Nudi Gill: Poison Powerhouse of the Sea by author-​illustrator Bonnie Kelso was selected as the “Great Reads from Great Places” children’s book to represent Nevada at the National Book Festival in Washington, D.C. Bonnie just returned from that trip where she sold out of her books within hours. (That was another project I thought was perfect for GRP when I saw it in the submissions inbox–and we now have several more books coming out with Bonnie over the next few years. She’s amazing!)

RVC: I hear you there–Bonnie has done an OPB review before, and I’ve interviewed her here, too! But now it’s time to change gears because it’s the BLITZ ROUND—super speedy Qs followed by zip-​zappy As. Are you ready to tackle this challenge? 

SS: Always.

RVC: Coffee, soda, or tea?

SS: Coffee. You saw my answer mentioning 3:00 am above, right?

RVC: If you could be any sea creature for a day, it’d be…

SS: Dolphin. They’re fast, smart, and super cool.

RVC: If your life was a picture book, what would the title be?

SS: Have I Lost My Mind? It’s an interactive search-​and-​find book.

RVC: One book that has profoundly influenced your career?

SS: I don’t know that there is only one, but when I think about GRP looking to publish books that have the “R” factor, I would have to say The Hunger Games (whole series). It’s the multiple layers that really draw me in, and that it’s an “underdog” story. I hope young readers want to read a GRP book as much as I’ve read/​listened to/​seen The Hunger Games.

RVC: In three words or less, the most rewarding part of your job?

SS: Bringing people together.

RVC: Best thing a child has said about a Gnome Road book?

SS: “I love that book!”

RVC: Thanks so much, Sandra!

Editor Interview: Celia Lee (Simon & Schuster Books for Young Readers)

Welcome to Celia Lee, an executive editor at Simon & Schuster Books for Young Readers, where she works with creators on all things illustrated, from picture books and early illustrated chapter books and middle grade to graphic novels for all ages.

The list of authors and illustrators she’s partnered with is wow-​worthy. To name just a few:

Celia previously worked at Scholastic, where, in addition to editing, she helped start their employee diversity committee as well as coördinated their partnership with We Need Diverse Books ™. She also served for two years as a member of the Children’s Book Council (CBC) Diversity Committee and is a mentor for POC in Publishing.

As far as academic credentials go, Celia studied English Literature and Art History at Virginia Tech and earned a MS in Publishing from NYU.

Let’s learn more about Celia and her work right now!


RVC: Rumor has it that you were a fan of Charlotte’s Web as a child. What about E.B. White’s book appealed so much?

CL: Fan was an understatement–I was obsessed! I think it was the first book I read that made me feel like I was important and that I could handle important topics, like death and growing up. I have always had a penchant for being mopey and melancholy and White’s lines about the changing of the seasons and our state of existence spoke to me in a way that made me realize books could really see you.

Plus, spiders really are heroes!

RVC: I’ve been a lifelong fan of White myself. Not as much for Charlotte’s Web or The Elements of Style–which are both terrific–but rather this letter he wrote. Have you encountered it before? 

CL: Yes! It’s deliciously perfect–I’ve been keeping that line handy in my mind palace for when I really have to back out of something with style. 🙂

RVC: Yeah, White’s pretty terrific. Now, back to you! At what point did you realize you were going to work in publishing? That English Lit + Art History combo platter has me wondering…as does that internship with the American Physiological Society!

CL: I actually sort of suspected maybe publishing was a possibility during my senior year of high school. I had a wonderful and inspiring AP English Lit teacher, Mr. Craver, who mentioned that working in books was a thing and that was the tiny little hopeful spark I held onto and kept feeding and feeding all throughout college with my coursework.

The APS internship was a little bit random! I was going to move to New York in the fall for grad school, but I needed a job that summer and I found the posting on Craigslist. I helped out in their communications department, drafting press releases on scientific studies. It was fun to learn about something totally different, and I got to talk to scientists and people excited about science!

RVC: After your undergrad degree at Virginia Tech, you earned an MS in Publishing from NYU. How common is it now for agents and editors to earn advanced degrees or certificates in publishing? 

CL: This is all very unscientific, but I’d say about a quarter of the folks I know working in publishing have an advanced degree or certificate. It’s by no means mandatory, but for a lot of us that went down that path it was a way to get the foot in the door–many of us came from places that were not close to NYC where the major publishers are. It provided access to folks working in the industry and fostered connections. I’m not sure if that’s the same for people in programs now, though, since so much of the industry has changed since the beginning of the pandemic.

RVC: What are some of the most useful things you learned in that program?

CL: Learning about the practical business stuff has been very useful. I took a great class on project management that has saved me tons of times on projects, that’s for sure.

RVC: Let’s get from Then until Now(ish). Could you briefly describe your career journey leading up to your role as Executive Editor at Simon & Schuster Books for Young Readers?

CL: After a stint as an intern/​editorial assistant at a small library publisher, I found a job as an editorial assistant in Scholastic’s former Book Clubs division, working on the ins and outs of curating the baby-​toddler-​preschool book clubs. That got me excited about board and picture books and how they were made, so when the Trade division had an opening in their Cartwheel books imprint, I immediately jumped in. Then after a few years there, the Book Clubs group needed someone to coördinate their We Need Diverse Books program, which was too exciting not to pass up, but when the pandemic happened I went back to the Trade group for one last time. Then the S&S BFYR was looking for an experienced picture book editor, and that was that! I’ve been here for about 2 years now. Sorry, that wasn’t brief at all!

RVC: No problem–we always appreciate a useful robust here at OPB! Now, who has been your biggest career cheerleader and mentor, and in what ways have they impacted your growth in the industry?

CL: I’ve been fortunate to have so many cheerleaders and mentors during my time working in publishing. All of my bosses have been mentors to me, for example. I’ve learned so much from them in different ways, but mostly on how to be a good editor and advocate. But the lovely thing about the kidlit community is that there is an abundance of kind-​hearted, caring, and talented folks at every level in every department–so many of my colleagues have been mentors to me whether they know it or not just by being there and leading by example. It’s what keeps me excited about work.

RVC: What was the story behind the first picture book you acquired? 

CL: You know, the memories behind some of my first picture books are a little hazy since I acquired board books and picture books in one big jumble when I started, but one of the early ones was this paperback picture book called Princess Puppy that was written by the late great Bernette Ford. I don’t think it’s in print anymore, but that really stuck out in my mind.

RVC: What surprised you most about the process of bringing that book to life?

CL: The editorial process was definitely surprising, only because I was just this little assistant editor working with this legendary author who had created and led my imprint so I had no idea what to expect!

RVC: As an editor, what would you say is the most rewarding part of your job and why?

CL: There’s nothing like that feeling of reading a manuscript or dummy and instantly falling in love with it and then being able to tell that author or illustrator that yes, we want to make it into a book! That little kick-​off celebratory feeling that you share with the creator just fuels the rest of the process for me.

RVC: What are the key elements that make a picture book story engaging and memorable for young readers?

CL: Readaloudability, which Word is saying isn’t a word, but we all know it is. Picture books are supposed to be read aloud. The read needs to hold up the first time and the hundredth time!

RVC: Absolutely!

CL: I’m trying to think of something clever that will pair with readaloudability that applies to images–illustration scanability? Storystration? Basically the illustrations need to have multiple places for little eyes to land on and explore. Most picture book readers aren’t reading–the images are all they have, so those images better be telling a story, too!

RVC: Terrific point, Celia. What are your thoughts on Back Matter?

CL: It’s great, but not needed for every book.

RVC: What about rhyme?

CL:  It’s so integral to the early story time experience, yet I’m seeing fewer and fewer rhyming stories. A really good rhyme builds connections and sticks with you and opens the door to a love of reading. But writing in rhyme is not for the faint of heart–you have to remember that with rhyme comes meter, and that usually throws folks off.

RVC: What’s your assessment of where the industry is today in terms of diversity and representation?

CL: We’ve made some progress, but there’s still a long way to go, especially at the manager and executive levels in all departments. (See the POC in Publishing Industry Survey or Lee & Low’s Diversity Baseline Survey for more info).

RVC: How can people like me—and teachers, librarians, students, parents, and children—help?

CL: I think it’s important to ask about it and to elevate voices that are advocating for a publishing industry that better reflects what our readership looks like. And to demand for more diverse books and authors in general, too–those numbers aren’t great, either.

RVC: Let’s help out some of the creatives who read this blog. What tips do you have for illustrators looking to appeal to S&S BFYR when it comes to building their portfolios?

CL: I’ve said this in other places, but illustrators should be sure that they not only show figures, but also full-​blown scenes in their portfolios. It’s great to see that you do characters really well, but can you show those characters moving and reacting? That’s a question that comes up a lot when we see an artist’s portfolio with potential–sure, they can draw, but can they tell a story with their work?

RVC: In other interviews, you’ve mentioned the importance of characters’ eyes in conveying emotions in picture books. Can you elaborate on other critical elements in illustrations that can heighten a child’s engagement with the story?

CL: This is going to be very vague, but I always say a great illustration goes beyond what’s written and shows something more. A great illustrator brings new ideas to the illustration, to the story.

RVC: Let’s not ignore the writer folks. Are there any specific themes or subjects that you’re particularly interested in picture books submissions at S&BFYR?

CL: I’m always in the market for humor and character-​based stories. And stories with a twist (or multiple twists, gasp!) delight me to no end.

RVC: What’s the most common reason to say no to a submission that’s 95% “got it goin’ on!” Where do writers tend to fall short of the I MUST BUY YOU impulse we all want editors to feel?

CL: Oooo that’s a hard one! I think there are so many factors that could contribute to that 5%. I feel like lately the endings are what’s bothering me. Right now, if that ending doesn’t deliver, then it really takes me out. But if you ask me that in six months, I’m sure I’ll have a different answer for you.

RVC: I’m curious—what’s your dream project to work on, if given the opportunity?

CL: I’ve gotten to work on so many dreamy books, but I guess my Everest is that perfect unreliable narrator story.

RVC: One last question for this part of the interview. Can you give us a sneak peek into some exciting new titles S&S BFYR has in the pipeline?

CL: There are so many good ones, so it’s hard to whittle it down, but a couple that are coming out in the next few months are I’m Going to Build a Snowman by Jashar Awan, Remembering by Xelena Gonzalez and illustrated by Adriana M. Garcia, and The Wishing Machine by Jonathan Hillman and illustrated by Nadia Alam.

RVC: Alright, Celia. It’s time to launch into the LIGHTNING ROUND! The point values are tripled and the One-​Minute Timer of DOOM*! is ready to get going. Are you ready? (*DOOM not guaranteed)

CL: Bring it on! I love answering things quickly, especially with the threat of DOOM!

RVC: Would you rather crank some tunes, read a book, or binge-​watch Netflix?

CL: I know as a book person, I’m supposed to say read a book, but I am a binge-​watching girly through and through! I just love stories in general, whatever that form might be.

RVC: If you could instantly become an expert in any field, what would you choose?

CL: Demolitions expert, hands down.

RVC: Your life is on the line. You need to sing one karaōke song to save it. What do you go with?

CL: I’ve been waiting for this question all my life. I pride myself on keeping an updated list of karaōke songs on my Notes app! My go-​to is “Call Me” by Blondie.

RVC: What’s the last picture book you read that actually made you LOL?

CL: Lucy Ruth CumminsA Hungry Lion, or A Dwindling Assortment of Animals. It’s just one big giggle fest for me.

RVC: What’s the One That Got Away?

CL: The Rabbit Listened by Cori Doerrfeld. I don’t think I’ll ever get over it!

RVC: Share a quote from a picture book you love.

CL:  Technically it’s a novelty book, but “I will love you as the iceberg loves the ship, and the passengers love the lifeboat and the lifeboat loves the teeth of the sperm whale, and the sperm whale loves the flavor of naval uniforms.” from The Beatrice Letters tickles me to no end.

RVC: Thanks so much, Celia! It was terrific having you stop by OPB to share your story. 

CL: Thanks for having me, Ryan! These are wonderful questions!

Editor” interview: ChatGPT‑4 as a NYC Big 5 Picture Book Editor

Things went kablooey this month when my intended interview subject–a human picture book editor–was unable to participate in time for this month’s post. It happens. I totally get it.

As a result, I figured I had three choices.

  1. Skip posting this Monday and see if anyone notices. (An internet “If a tree falls in a forest and no one’s around, does it still make a sound?” kind of experiment.)
  2. Run a Best-​of compilation that showcases some of the most memorable editor advice from previous posts.
  3. Do what everyone else seems to be doing–use AI to solve any problem we face.

#1 felt a little sad.

#2 felt like a lot of work.

That left #3 as the not-​quite-​clear-​cut-​option-​but-​else-​can-​I-​do? choice.

While I know there’s no replacement for the human component in creative industries, I’m interested to see how ChatGPT4 will fare–perhaps to smirk-​worthy results. We’ll see!

Rest assured, I’ll have humans partnering with me on future blog posts. Unless this post goes viral and I make a gazillion dollars. If that happens, I reserve the right to reconsider everything. 🙂

**Of course, I asked ChatGPT‑4 to come up with the questions, too, after sharing some of OPB’s previous posts to show the style, format, and sense of humor. It also wrote its own introductory bio, and for some reason, it’s using my last name. I don’t THINK we’re related, though. The images are prompted by ChatGPT‑4 and created in Midjourney, save for the single real-​world book cover–you’ll recognize it.**


This month’s Industry Insider Interview is with the incomparable Reginald Van Cleave, Senior Editor at a prestigious Big 5 New York City publisher. Known for his whimsical imagination and sharp editorial eye, he’s an alchemist of words and images in the world of picture books.

Reginald has been instrumental in the creation of countless award-​winning and bestselling titles. Some of his proudest moments include crafting The Day the Crayons Quit Climate Change and the captivating series, A Tiny Critter’s Big Adventure. With each project, Reginald seeks to blend the delightful with the meaningful, bringing stories to life that both enchant young readers and spark their curiosity about the world.

His journey in the publishing industry began at NYU, where he specialized in Children’s Literature and Art History. This unique combination armed him with a deep understanding of visual storytelling, a skill he wields to great effect in his current role.

When he’s not orchestrating the grand show of picture book publishing, Reginald indulges in his own secret talents—reading books upside down and perfecting the art of sushi-​making. His office, a creative chaos of sticky notes, vibrant highlighters, and a fortress of picture books, overlooks Central Park—the perfect space for dreaming up the next big hit.

Reginald champions the idea that a picture book is a magic carpet, taking children on journeys of discovery, fun, and learning. He’s like the Pied Piper of the publishing world, leading an ensemble of authors and illustrators in creating symphonies of words and art.

So, buckle up and join us as we dive into the wild, whimsical, and wonderful world of Reginald Van Cleave!


ChatGPT‑4: Can you please share a little about your professional journey that led you to become an editor at a Big 5 NYC publisher?

ChatGPT‑4: My career journey resembles a riveting, multi-​volume epic. It started in the foothills of editorial assistant-​ship where I tackled mountains of paperwork and brewed enough coffee to fill a small lake. From there, I graduated to higher roles, each one a new chapter, until I found my happily-​ever-​after in the world of picture books.

ChatGPT‑4: What first sparked your interest in picture books, and why do you continue to work in this specific genre?

ChatGPT‑4: Why picture books? That’s like asking why a butterfly loves flowers! The way words and images play tag on the pages has always fascinated me. I’m still entranced by this magical game, and it’s my absolute joy to be a part of it.

ChatGPT‑4: Can you describe a typical workday for you? How much of your time is spent in reading manuscripts, editing, meeting authors and illustrators, etc.?

ChatGPT‑4: A day in my life is akin to a three-​ring circus. I’m the ringmaster, gracefully managing a high-​wire act with manuscripts, lion-​taming the artistic egos, and juggling a flurry of meetings—all while trying to stop my coffee from turning into a magic disappearing act.

ChatGPT‑4: What’s your favorite part of your job as a picture book editor?

ChatGPT‑4: It’s when a book transforms from a caterpillar of rough sketches and raw text into a butterfly of full-​page illustrations and polished prose. There’s nothing like witnessing a new story spread its wings and take flight.

ChatGPT‑4: In your opinion, what are the key elements that make a great picture book?

ChatGPT‑4: Picture a cake—words form the sponge base, solid but often unremarkable on its own. The illustrations are the delectable icing, providing a visual feast that draws you in. Then comes the sprinkles—that elusive magic that brings delight, surprise, and depth, turning an ordinary cake into a treat to remember.

ChatGPT‑4: How do you balance the needs of both the child reader and the adult reader when evaluating a picture book manuscript?

ChatGPT‑4: Striking the right balance between adult and child readers is a bit like DJing a family party—you want to keep the kiddos dancing with catchy tunes, while also playing classics the adults can enjoy. It’s about weaving a tale that engages the child’s curiosity and entertains the adult’s sense of humor and insight.

ChatGPT‑4: What is the most common mistake you see from first-​time picture book authors?

ChatGPT‑4: They’re often like eager tour guides who spill all the secrets before the tour has truly begun, leaving no room for the reader’s imagination to explore.

ChatGPT‑4: How has the picture book industry changed since you’ve started working in it?

ChatGPT‑4: Picture books have grown from quaint black-​and-​white television shows to glorious technicolor blockbusters. Today’s books embrace a riot of styles, themes, and voices, with each one a unique portal into a world of wonder.

ChatGPT‑4: Talk about a few of the current trends you’re seeing in the picture book industry.

ChatGPT‑4: Imagine if a robot and a fairy were having a tea party while discussing global warming. Kids crave fun, fantastical elements meshed with real-​world themes that help them understand their place in the universe.

ChatGPT‑4: How do you see the role of diversity and representation in picture books evolving in today’s society?

ChatGPT‑4: Diversity and representation in picture books? It’s like a grand mosaic—each piece is unique, yet when brought together, they create a vibrant, captivating picture. The more diverse our characters and their experiences, the richer and more inclusive our literary landscape becomes.

ChatGPT‑4: What is the role of the editor in shaping and refining the story and illustrations of a picture book?

ChatGPT‑4: As an editor, I’m the friendly ghost, subtly influencing the story, helping authors and illustrators bring their vision to life. It’s like sculpting a topiary—you have to prune here, encourage growth there, until the raw hedge transforms into an intricate work of art.

ChatGPT‑4: Can you share an instance where you helped an author or illustrator significantly reshape their work for the better?

ChatGPT‑4: One memorable transformation involved a princess tale that morphed into an exciting adventure about a royal plumber. It was a change that not only subverted expectations but also promoted the idea of unconventional roles and dreams.

ChatGPT‑4: What do you look for in an illustrator’s portfolio? Any tips for illustrators hoping to break into the industry?

ChatGPT‑4: An illustrator’s portfolio should be a window into their unique world. For illustrators trying to make a mark, think of it like a peacock’s display—be bold, let your colors shine, and don’t be afraid to show off what makes you different.

ChatGPT‑4: How important is the author-​illustrator relationship in creating a successful picture book? How do you facilitate this relationship?

ChatGPT‑4: The relationship between author and illustrator is a well-​choreographed ballet. They must move in harmony, each contributing to the performance while I, the editor, play the role of the conductor, ensuring the show is seamless.

ChatGPT‑4: How do you decide whether a book will be a standalone or part of a series?

ChatGPT‑4: Deciding whether a book will be a standalone or part of a series involves several considerations. Firstly, the story’s narrative arc is crucial. If the plot naturally concludes and satisfies readers within a single book, it may work best as a standalone. However, if the story has the potential for further development, unresolved threads, or a broader story world, a series could be a suitable choice. Market demand and reader engagement also play a role. If a book resonates strongly with readers and shows potential for continued interest, extending it into a series can capitalize on that success. Ultimately, the decision hinges on the story’s narrative possibilities, reader engagement, and market viability.

ChatGPT‑4: Could you please discuss the process of creating a picture book from receiving the initial manuscript to the final publication?

ChatGPT‑4: Creating a picture book is a grand adventure. It begins with the quest for the perfect story (the manuscript), journeys through the realm of art (illustrations), faces trials of refinement (editing), and finally triumphs with the treasure in hand (publication).

ChatGPT‑4: What role do you believe picture books play in child literacy and development?

ChatGPT‑4: Picture books are the stepping stones in a child’s journey towards literacy. They’re like magic carpets that not only transport children into different worlds but also help them navigate the vast seas of language, emotions, and ideas.

ChatGPT‑4: Can you name a picture book you recently worked on that you’re particularly proud of, and why?

ChatGPT‑4: A recent book I’m particularly proud of is The Day the Crayons Quit Climate Change. It’s a delightful yet impactful tale that combines humor, drama, and a little bit of science to convey a profound message about environmental responsibility.

ChatGPT‑4: How do you handle the tension between commercial viability and artistic creativity when selecting a manuscript?

ChatGPT‑4: Balancing commercial viability and artistic creativity is like walking a tightrope while juggling flaming torches—it’s a risky, delicate act. But with the right mix of intuition, experience, and a dash of daring, it’s an act that often leads to the most exciting and impactful books.

ChatGPT‑4: How does the rise of digital media impact the picture book industry, and how are you adapting to it?

ChatGPT‑4: Well, it’s like discovering a new continent. It brings new challenges, but also new opportunities for storytelling. In this new landscape, we’re learning to create picture books that can leap off the page and come alive on the screen.

ChatGPT‑4: Can you describe some of the challenges of translating a picture book into different languages and cultures?

ChatGPT‑4: Translating a picture book into different languages and cultures is like turning a 2D sketch into a 3D model—you have to consider all the angles, make sure the essence of the story is captured, and that it resonates with the audience, no matter where they’re from.

ChatGPT‑4: How do you handle negative reviews or criticism of the books you’ve edited?

ChatGPT‑4: Handling negative reviews is like wrestling with a rhino—you don’t take it personally, you learn from it, and most importantly, you keep your sense of humor intact. Every book won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, and that’s okay.

ChatGPT‑4: What advice would you give to aspiring authors or illustrators wanting to break into the picture book industry?

ChatGPT‑4: Dive deep into your craft and soak up all the knowledge you can get. Picture books are all about connecting with those little readers, so make sure you understand what makes them tick. Polish your work until it shines brighter than a supernova. Build a portfolio that’s bursting with your unique style and creative genius. Do your homework on publishers who are hungry for picture book magic and follow their guidelines like a boss.

Most importantly, develop a voice that’s unmistakably YOU, something that makes editors go, “Wow, we need more of this!”

ChatGPT‑4: In your opinion, how will the picture book industry evolve in the next five years?

ChatGPT‑4: The picture book industry will continue to evolve dynamically over the next five years. Technology will play a significant role, with digital platforms and interactive experiences becoming more prevalent. We can expect augmented reality and virtual reality elements to enhance storytelling. Diverse voices and inclusive content will gain further prominence, reflecting the diverse world we live in. Collaborations between authors, illustrators, and multimedia experts will push boundaries and create innovative picture book experiences. Sustainability and eco-​consciousness may also become more important themes. Ultimately, the picture book industry will embrace new mediums, perspectives, and technologies, keeping the magic of storytelling alive for young readers.

ChatGPT‑4: On a personal note, do you have a favorite picture book from your own childhood? How has it influenced your work as an editor?

ChatGPT‑4: Where the Wild Things Are. It’s an exquisite blend of imagination, emotion, and artistry that captivated me as a child and continues to inspire me as an editor. After all, we’ve all got a little wild thing inside us, haven’t we?

ChatGPT‑4: We’re about to embark on a whirlwind journey, otherwise known as the Lightning Round. Fasten your seat belt and prepare for takeoff, Reginald. Are you ready to blaze a trail through these rapid-​fire questions?

ChatGPT‑4: Ah, the Lightning Round! My teacup is refilled, my monocle is polished, and my wit is at the ready. Let’s dash through these questions with the verve of a zebra galloping across the Serengeti!

ChatGPT‑4: What secret talent do you have that no one would suspect?

ChatGPT‑4: I can read books upside down. Yes, it comes in handy when I’m working across the table from an illustrator!

ChatGPT‑4: You can only eat one food for the rest of your life. What is it?

ChatGPT‑4: Definitely sushi! An endless supply of colorful, bite-​sized stories, each with a surprise inside—much like a picture book, don’t you think?

ChatGPT‑4: Five things we’d see if we checked out your favorite writing/​editing place.

ChatGPT‑4: You’d see: a tempest of sticky notes, a rainbow of highlighters, an army of coffee mugs, a view of Central Park, and of course, a fortress of picture books.

ChatGPT‑4: What’s the One That Got Away?

ChatGPT‑4: A tale about a stubborn unicorn who refused to believe in humans. It was whimsical, heartwarming, and unfortunately, slipped through our fingers.

ChatGPT‑4: Who sets the standard for writing picture books with heart?

ChatGPT‑4: It has to be Mo Willems. His Pigeon, Elephant, and Piggie have moved us to tears and laughter in equal measure, all while teaching us a thing or two about friendship and perseverance.

ChatGPT‑4: Write a haiku that sums up your picture book philosophy.

ChatGPT‑4:

Words and pictures dance,
Children’s laughter the sweet tune,
Magic in their hands.

ChatGPT‑4: This has been fun and interesting. Thanks for playing along.

ChatGPT‑4: Ah, well, it’s been an absolute delight waltzing through this whimsical wonderland of questions with you. As we close this chapter and look to the next, remember, dear reader, that in the world of picture books, anything is possible. So, keep turning the pages, keep dreaming in color, and most importantly, keep the kettle on for that next cup of imagination-​infused tea. From my circus of manuscripts to yours, thank you and happy reading!

Editor Interview: Hilary Van Dusen

This month’s Insider Interview is with Hilary B. Van Dusen, senior executive editor at Candlewick Press. As of 2021, she’s acquiring titles for MIT Kids and MITeen.

Hilary is the editor of award-​winning nonfiction titles including Courage Has No Color: The True Story of the Triple Nickels by Tanya Lee Stone; Jazz Day: The Making of a Famous Photograph by Roxane Orgill, illustrated by Francis Vallejo, The Impossible Rescue: The True Story of an Amazing Arctic Adventure by Martin W. Sandler, Schomburg: The Man Who Built a Library by Carole Boston Weatherford, illustrated by Eric Velasquez, Beyond Magenta: Transgender Teens Speak Out by Susan Kuklin, and Ada and the Galaxies by Alan Lightman and Olga Pastuchiv, illustrated by Susanna Chapman.

What a list, right?

Many of the nonfiction books she acquired explore social issues, science, and/​or history, so clearly there’s an interest there which we’ll explore below! Before she took over MIT Kids and MITeen, Hilary also edited middle grade and young adult fiction by such authors as:

Let’s learn more about Hilary right now!


RVC: So, I’m going to start with something most people won’t relate to, but I suspect you will. Despite me putting “Ryan G. Van Cleave” on my published writing, I regularly get called “Mr. Cleave” or “Mr. Van” or something equally mindboggling. Is it fair to assume you experience your own version of this gaffe?

HVD: Ok, not the question I was expecting, but, yes, having a two-​word last name is a challenge, not to mention a first name that can easily be misspelled. Luckily for me, though, in my professional life, I am usually referred to by my first name, but when the two-​name thing comes up, I get Ms. Dussen–which is not only incorrect, but incorrectly spelled and pronounced!

RVC: On a scale of smiling rainbow unicorns to apocalyptic acid storms, where do these kinds of missteps fall for you?

HVD: There are two smiling rainbow things that used to happen more frequently than it does now. I share a last name with a pretty well-​known retired adult editor from Harper. When I go to conferences, I will often be asked if I am his daughter. For the record, I am not! But the idea of a legacy career makes me a bit warm and fuzzy.

I am also asked if I am married to author-​illustrator Chris Van Dusen… nope, not that either.

RVC: For the record, I’m also unaffiliated with the jewelry brand Van Cleef & Arpels as well as the actor Lee Van Cleef, as much as I wish it were otherwise. Now that THAT’s out of the way, let’s talk picture books. How has your personal experience with picture books from your childhood informed your approach to editing and selecting new projects?

HVD:  I am the youngest of 4 kids and had the benefit of a library built by my siblings before me. There were the standards like Winnie the Pooh and Dr. Seuss (I memorized The Cat in the Hat and astonished my babysitters that I could “read”), but I also made frequent trips to the library and was given free reign of the children’s room with the limit of 5 books per visit, according to Mom.

RVC: Oh yeah. I know all about those Mom-​created book limits!

HVD: Having that freedom to choose books, the time to ponder my choices, and a home atmosphere that was conducive to spending time (a lot of time) with books, gave me an almost innate understanding of how books can be and should be part of a kids’ life, whether for pleasure or for information. As I grew into my editing career, I concentrated on nonfiction books, because I wanted to publish true stories–incredible stories that don’t need to be made up, stories that hold attention like any piece of fiction.

RVC: How did you land your first editing job?

HVD: I went the internship route, but how I got my first internship is a bit of a story in itself. I was introduced to Anita Silvey, then Editor in Chief of The Horn Book, through the former children’s book editor of The Boston Globe (back when there were regular children’s book reviews in The Globe). She happened to be one of the moms who led a playgroup for my buddies and me when we were preschoolers.

RVC: Lucky you!

HVD: There I was in college, looking for a summer opportunity, and contacting a writer for the The Boston Globe, someone who hadn’t known me since I was 4 years old–a little daunting at the time, but she was incredibly gracious and helpful. Anita Silvey and her staff took me on as a summer intern, which led to a January internship, and a job offer before I graduated from college. Working as an editorial assistant at the Horn Book was like going to grad school. I handled and read every children’s book published for about 2 ½ years before I took an editorial job at Viking.

RVC: What was the first nonfiction picture book you worked on solo?

HVD: I worked on my own books when I took a job at Little, Brown in the late 80s, early 90s. I started a picture book series called Portraits of Women Artists by Robyn Montana Turner that featured such greats as Frida Kahlo, Mary Cassatt, Georgia O’Keeffe, and others. Working on those books ignited my fire for editing nonfiction.

RVC: What lesson(s) did that book series teach you?

HVD: The Portraits of Women Artists series gave me a crash course in clearing permissions for images and how those permissions influence a book’s budget. That series also showed me how telling a person’s life story through their art can be an inspiring way to talk about a person.

RVC: You’ve worked on a lot of books between then and now. I’m curious about your current thinking as an editor. How do you balance the need for concise and straightforward text with the desire to create engaging and memorable storytelling in picture books? And has that idea changed over the years?

HVD: Good question. Many of the authors I am working with now come from STEAM fields and not necessarily from the children’s book writer community. Many of them are experts in their fields of interest or research, who are committed to reaching children to introduce STEAM concepts. The editing process revolves partly around working with them to think about the audience and how to engage them with the facts with concise language and partly around making sure the narrative arc is successful. As an editor I am committed to planting the seeds of topics that children may not have thought about or been exposed to in a way that will inspire them to want to learn more or dive deeper into a topic.

RVC: You have been especially committed to books about history and culture. Is that a fair statement?

HVD: Yes, that is true. I believe that looking at where we we’ve come from can tell us a lot about where we are today. For instance, I published Underground Fire: Hope, Sacrifice, and Courage in the Cherry Mine Disaster by Sally Walker. That book is centered around a disastrous mine fire, and in the telling covers migrant workers, mine safety reform, and response to tragedy–all topics that are relevant today.

RVC: Let’s talk about a history/​culture picture book mentioned in the introduction—Jazz Day: The Making of a Famous Photograph by Roxane Orgill. How did that project come about?

HVD: I had been working with Roxane Orgill on a few books prior to Jazz Day. She ran across the iconic photo of the jazz musicians and researched the photographer and how the photo came about. Turns out it was an incredibly interesting progression of events. She proposed the idea of telling the story of the photograph–an idea that I loved for the reasons stated in my answer to the question above. It was literally a snapshot of a moment in time that said so much about the past, present, and future.

RVC: How does your editorial process differ with poetry (like in this book) instead of a prose manuscript?

HVD: Editing poems that also cumulatively tell a story is different in some ways from editing prose but the same in others. The narrative arc of the whole story has to be taken into consideration and once that is set, the editing is much more at a line and word level. Every word in a poem has a purpose and a beat that needs to be considered. And in the case of Jazz Day, the poems were conveying information about the time and place in history. It takes several passes through the work to address all of those things in an edit. Not to mention conversations with the author about particular words, the placement of the words, and the need (or not) for them.

RVC: At what point did you realize Francis Vallejo was the right illustrator for the job?

HVD: Francis Vallejo was new to children’s books, but an obvious bright star. The then Artistic Director, Chris Paul, showed me his samples, and it took very little convincing to know he was perfect for the job and Roxane Orgill agreed. He had an interest in jazz music, he was willing to work with the photograph and incorporate it into the book. He also did a ton of research and modeling to get everything right–he was incredible to work with.

RVC: People believe you can’t judge a book by its cover, but is that axiom true for picture books? Please explain the importance of a strong and eye-​catching cover design for a picture book and how that factors into your editorial decisions.

HVD: The way we create picture books at Candlewick, the cover comes late in the process, after the text is final and the sketches are done. At the point we are designing a cover, many editorial decisions have been made about the book as a whole, but deciding on the right image for the cover is one of the biggest editorial decisions. We want the cover to be representative of what the reader is going to get inside without giving too much away. We want the image to draw in people who glance at it for a few seconds on a shelf. We also want it to be a draw at the size of a thumbnail on a web page. We consider the weight or importance of the bylines in relation to the imagery. If the book is funny, the image needs to convey that, or mindful… you get the idea. But there is also the consideration of trends or standing out from trends. I could write about this for pages, but I think I’ve addressed the basics!

RVC: Let’s help out some aspiring writers. In your experience, what are the most effective ways for picture book authors and illustrators to build a dedicated readership and fan base?

HVD: Beyond writing a book that will attract readers, it’s important for creators to engage with their audience in some way, either through social media and blogging or doing visits to school, festivals, bookstores. The school and library piece cannot be underestimated.

RVC: Totally agree!

HVD: Find ways to engage with teachers and librarians about your work and how it can be used with kids. Publishers do not have a marketing budget to put behind every book, so sometimes it is up to the author to do more legwork in terms of publicity. Lastly, keep writing and publishing, so that you have new titles to talk about and work with. Keep working on your craft so that the next book tops the last.

RVC: Speaking of building a fan base…let’s talk social media. While you have a private Instagram account and you joined Twitter in 2009, you don’t seem especially active online. How purposeful is that choice?

HVD: I am a pretty private person. I believe in a hard line between my professional life and my personal life, which is why I don’t engage much on social media. A public fan base or discussion about my work or my authors on social media is not why I do what I do. I also have published a few books that are often banned, and I do not want to be subjected to the wrath of the banners out there!

RVC: One final question for this part of the interview, Hilary. It’s Brag Time! What’s an upcoming project or two that you’re really excited about?

HVD: Just coming out is Unseen Jungle: The Microbes That Secretly Control Our World, the first book in a young middle grade series called Your Hidden Life by Eleanor Spicer Rice and illustrated by Rob Wilson – it’s simultaneously hilarious, gross, informative, and entertaining in a you-just-can’t‑look-away way. (Talk about covers… Unseen Jungle has a cockroach on a toothbrush on the cover!) I’m also excited about a stylish and beautiful picture book biography called Santiago Saw Things Differently by debut author Christine Iverson and illustrated by Luciano Lozano about the father of neuroscience Santiago Cajal, an artist at heart, who, through his art, discovers the truth about neural pathways.

RVC: Alright. With that, it’s time to shift gears from Standard OPB Interview Stuff to Lightning Round OPB Wondrousness. Clearly, speed and succinctness are at a premium, because, well, lightning! Are you ready for the challenge?

HVD: Bring it on, Ryan!

RVC: Who’s your all-​time favorite picture book character?

HVD: How can I play favorites???? There are so many I love! Lyle the crocodile, Mercy Watson, the pig, the sheep in Sheep in a Jeep, the Lion in Library Lion, the list goes on (interesting that these are all animals, what does that say about me? Maybe I shouldn’t ask? 😊).

RVC: What book(s) are on your nightstand right now?

HVD: Demon Copperhead, The Personal Librarian, and The Emperor of All Maladies.

RVC: If someone narrated your life, who would you want to have the job?

HVD: Kate DiCamillo.

RVC: What’s the One That Got Away?

HVD: Chris Van Dusen, when I worked at Little, Brown. Ironically, I ended up working for his publisher in the end.

RVC: What’s the last picture book that actually made you LOL?

HVD: Every one of Jon Klassen’s books.

RVC: Describe the perfect picture book in three words.

HVD: Narrative. Art. Seamless.

RVC: Thanks so much, Hilary!

Agent Interview: Joyce Sweeney (The Seymour Agency)

This month’s Insider Interview is with Joyce Sweeney! Here in Florida, Joyce is a legendary figure who ran one of the most successful kidlit writing coach businesses—dozens of Joyce’s clients found publication thanks to their help and guidance. Joyce is a well-​published author on their own, too, having written more than a dozen novels for young adults.

A few years ago, Joyce became a literary agent for The Seymour Agency, and that’s where they’re dealing with picture books on a more regular basis.

Let’s hear from Joyce directly about this new career!


RVC: You’re clearly an animal lover–I saw your recent FB post where you talk about your dear friend at Flamingo Gardens…who happens to be a rescue crow.

JS: My husband and I are both dedicated animal lovers and rescuers. Most of our pets have been rescues and when we get free time, like last Saturday, we head to the wildlife areas immediately. I think I have done so well in nonfiction picture books because I have a great eye for nature and wildlife stories.

RVC: We’ll circle back on animals in a moment. In the meantime, tell me about your relationship with books as a kid.

JS: My mother was a book lover, who was actually shamed by her parents for “reading too much” and not going outside. So, I grew up showered in Little Golden Books and being read to all the time. Picture books transported me because story and art are possibly my two favorite things. One of my favorite “picture books” as a preschooler was a book of Chinese poetry for adults with beautiful watercolors. I pored over that book.

RVC: What specifically appealed to Young You about the art?

JS: It was unlike anything else I had seen. Watercolor art and scenes of Asian life. It was so beautiful!

RVC: Let’s jump ahead a bit. What future did you imagine for yourself when you attended Wright State University?

JS: I was planning to be the next JD Salinger. I got closer than I thought I would!

RVC: I assume you’re saying that because you had your own books published and not because of other Salingeresque things (being a hermit, refusing to be edited, suing your biographer, offering a residency for a cartoonist at your house, etc.).

JSYes, I was talking about his impact on teens through his writing.

RVC: Roger that! Please share how your five-​week classes at the Florida Center for the Book turned into the robust writing coach business that you did for so many years.

JS: I was in a rhythm of teaching regular classes at the library and there would be repeat students. I’d say, “How has your writing been going?” And they’d say, “It was great during the class, but then I stopped.” So, I realized writers needed a “never-​ending class” and I started one. People started getting published and the rest is Magic Bean history.

RVC: For those who don’t know, what’s the Magic Bean reference?

JS: When I started teaching ongoing workshops, and people started getting published, we decided there should be some kind of prize given out. I had a friend who had just gone to Costa Rica and she discovered the beautiful seeds of the Guanacaste tree. They seemed perfect. So, anyone I have helped, when they are traditionally published, they get one.

I think it was Sherri Winston who coined “magic beans.”

RVC: What’s one of your favorite success stories from your coaching days?

JS: Can’t choose! During the first two years of that class, I saw the launch of Alexandra Flinn, Dorian Cirrone, Noreen Wald (Nora Charles), Gloria Rothstein, Sherri Winston, and a slew of others. It was thrilling.

RVC: It sure sounds like it! Now, one of the things you’re famous for is being a true coach—caring and supporting your clients well beyond anything story related. What’s your secret?

JS: I care. I mean I really do. I know how they feel. I’ve lived everything, good and bad, that they go through. A writer starts talking to me, I want to put everything down and listen. And I can usually find a hopeful direction for them to take.

RVC: From my perspective, it looked like business was booming. Why make the switch to agenting?

JS: I really love change and I really love a challenge. This was a big one and it came out of left field because it was offered to me rather than something I went after. Nicole Resciniti [President of The Seymour Agency] surprised the heck out of me during a lunch meeting by just springing it on me. But she pointed out, “You’ve been doing this job for years. This just takes it to the next level.”

And she was right.

RVC: Why is The Seymour Agency a great fit for you?

JS: I think because of the tone Nicole sets. We have that same urge to mentor, nurture, make dreams come true. All the agents at Seymour support and help each other to an unbelievable extent. It’s a loving, supportive atmosphere. I’ve never been at another agency, but I think our vibe is quite rare.

RVC: Describe a typical workday as an agent.

JS: That’s the beauty of it–there’s no such thing. This morning, I have to sign off on a contract for a client, execute a contract with a new client, read several new picture books some clients want me to see, send out a middle grade on submission, and have a phone meeting with one of my favorite clients. There will be about twenty surprises that come in on top of that. The days literally fly by.

RVC: What is the most common misconception about agenting?

JS: That agents don’t care or take clients’ hopes and fears lightly. We think about all of them all the time.

RVC: What’s the story of—and behind—your first picture book sale?

JS: My lovely friend and client Mindy Weiss runs a little showcase on Twitter called Picture Book Party. My first year as an agent, I found several manuscripts I loved, including a lyrical PB called Peaches by Gabriele Davis. I remember telling my husband about it and saying I wished I could have Peaches but that writer is too good for a beginning agent. But we had a phone interview and Gabriele and I really clicked and she picked me!

RVC: Congrats on that!

JS: She is a dream client. She works hard and participates in the process well. A few months after we went out, we had two R&R’s [revise and resubmits] and from that came her sale to Abrams.

RVC: When might we see Peaches?

JS: It comes out next spring, and this book will always be special to me.

RVC: How do you collaborate with your clients to develop their picture book projects before submitting them to publishers?

JS: It’s an ongoing process. It’s not just how to edit or tweak what they have, but as they submit and start to get industry feedback, we have to collaborate on how to brand them, how to develop their uniqueness into something editors will clamor for. It takes a lot of time and thought to position a client to make a sale.

RVC: How do you balance the commercial appeal of a picture book with its artistic and literary merits?

JS: I think in kidlit, artistic and literary merit is PART of commercial appeal, because a lot of sales are awards driven or based on educational value, etc. The best projects always have both: literary and artistic merit and commercial hooks.

For example, there’s City Feet by Aixa Perez-​Prado, which is my first client book to come out just this past January. It’s so fun and kid friendly because of the rhythm and fun of the text and the kooky, funky shoes, but it also has Aixa’s beautiful, mixed-​media art, the multilingual text, and most fun for me, maps of cities around the world embedded in the collages.

RVC: Share an example of a picture book project that presented unique challenges or learning experiences.

JS: I had an author illustrator who kept getting the note that they loved her story but not her illustrations. That’s hard for an artist to hear. But she did the bravest thing I ever saw. She took a year off to raise her game, studying every technique she could find. She was already a trained artist, but she pushed it further. I admire that kind of dedication so much. I believe she is on the brink of her first sale right now.

RVC: I sure hope so–it sounds as if she earned it. Let’s talk about the business side of things. How do you stay updated on the latest industry news, trends, and best practices to best serve your clients?

JS: We have regular agency meetings, trainings, and updates. I get a slew of industry newsletters every day and I learn a lot just from interactions with editors and listening closely to what they’re saying. I hold regular meetings with clients and big group meetings about twice a year and try to brief them on the “state of the industry.” Plus, we have a Facebook page where they all share info they are finding out.

RVC: What challenges do you see facing the picture book industry today, and how can authors and illustrators adapt to these changes?

JS: It’s a robust industry and I’m thankful for that. The challenges seem to come and go. COVID was a challenge, paper costs was a big problem, then general supply chain issues. What I am seeing now is some editor burnout, I think from surviving all the things I mentioned above.

RVC: I’m seeing some of that, too.

JS: The good thing is, kids want and need books and that never changes.

RVC: In addition to your novels, you’ve published a number of poetry chapbooks. How does your work as a poet inform how you work with picture book texts?

JS: Sometimes I can make a really good editorial suggestions, like “end the line on THAT word.” That knowledge comes from poetry. And I definitely know good lyricism when I read it.

RVC: Talk to me about those magical power lunches. How often do they happen? What goes on? Do you split dessert or does everyone get their own? 

JS: The first rule at The Seymour Agency…the agent pays for everything. We are hosting and treating our clients and it’s a great, relaxed way to really talk in depth. I knew so many great local writers from Florida SCBWI and a lot of them became clients, so I can see them anytime. But some of my clients also travel and make regular pilgrimages, which I love.

It’s good to be Florida based. Everyone wants to come here.

RVC: Complete the sentence. Joyce Sweeney is an agent who…

JS: cares about your career and is responsive to your needs.

RVC: One last question for this part of the interview. What are some upcoming projects that you’re especially excited about?

JS: Barefoot Books is launching a series called OUR WORLD that takes a creative approach to showing different countries and cultures. I have two clients participating in that: Aixa Perez-​Prado for Argentina and Ana Siqueira for Brazil.

RVC: Okay, Joyce…it’s time for the LIGHTNING ROUND! Zippy questions and zappy answers, please. Are you ready?

JS: I was born ready!

RVC: Magic beans, magic wands, or magic hats?

JS: I actually have all three. Doesn’t every agent?

RVC: Most underappreciated astrological sign?

JS: Scorpio (yes, I am one). But we always get the “murderer” meme. And we are really very loving, protective people.

RVC: Favorite cat joke/​pun?

JS: An old woman was walking along the beach with her cat. She found a magic lamp and a genie appeared. He gave her three wishes. First, she wished to be young and beautiful. Granted. Then she wished to be rich. Granted. Third wish. She looked at her cat and said, “Turn him into a handsome young man.” Granted and the genie disappeared. The cat, now a handsome young man, stood before the now young beautiful, rich girl. And he said, “Aren’t you sorry you had me neutered?”

RVC: Favorite picture book that features an animal protagonist?

JS: Olivia!

RVC: What’s the last picture book that made you LOL?

JS: I read Mr. Tiger Goes Wild over and over.

RVC: Your picture book philosophy in five words or fewer. 

JS: Think like a child!

RVC: Thanks so much, Joyce! 

JS: Thank you! These were great questions!!!