Editor Interview: Kathleen Merz (Eerdmans Books for Young Readers)

Kathleen Merz - Editorial Director - Eerdmans Books for Young Readers ...Welcome to Kathleen Merz, Editorial Director at Eerdmans Books for Young Readers. We bumped into each other at the ALA conference a few months back in San Diego, and hearing her speak about her books and their creators told me all I needed to know–she had to join me for an OPB interview.

What do we need to know about her before we dive into the interview? Try this!

Kathleen joined Eerdmans in 2009 and has since worked on numerous award-​winning titles, including books that have been awarded the Batchelder, the Sibert Medal, and the Caldecott Honor. With a background in English and linguistics, she has a particular love for translated works and nonfiction picture books. She’s drawn to stories that celebrate diversity and thoughtfully address contemporary social issues in ways that feel organic, compelling, and honest. Outside the office, you can usually find Kathleen enjoying the outdoors in Michigan—whether she’s biking, kayaking, camping, or curled up in a hammock with a good book.

With that, let’s jump right into the interview!


RVC: Let’s circle back to the beginning. At what point did you realize you were going to have a career in books?

KM: I’ve been a literature nerd since high school. In college, I was an English major with a linguistics minor and a Latin double major. When you’re an English major, everyone always asks, “What are you going to do with that—teach?” I knew teaching wasn’t for me, but I was interested in publishing. Senior year, one of my professors passed my resume to someone at Eerdmans, where there was an opening in the children’s department. I hadn’t seriously considered a career in children’s literature before, although I’d taken a course on it, but I jumped on the opportunity. I’m so happy I did because I love it and can’t imagine being as happy in any other branch of publishing. Despite the uncertainties, thin margins, and all that, it’s been a great fit.

RVC: Your story is a bit unusual! Most people in the industry hop around different places, but you’ve been with Eerdmans for 15 years. What’s kept you there so long?

KM: I know, it’s rare to stay with one publisher for so long. I love that Eerdmans is based in Michigan, which is my home state, and I like working for a small indie press. The team is great, and the books we publish are unique—quirky international titles, beautifully illustrated works, and thoughtful stories. Being part of a small press means I get to have my hand in everything, which I love. I feel fortunate to have stumbled into this job.

RVC: What does it mean to be an Editorial Director, and what role do you play in submissions at Eerdmans?

KM: We’re a small team. It’s me, our Associate Editor, our Art Director, our Publisher, and the sales and marketing team we share with the rest of the company. In my role, I manage the editorial side of the program, and some parts of the program as a whole.

For submissions—we’re open to unsolicited submissions, and our guidelines can be found on our website. Our Associate Editor does the first read of most of those unsolicited submissions and filters them through. I work on every project we publish, though, whether I take the first read through it or not. (If submissions to us are simply addressed to “Acquisitions Editor,” they’ll find their way where they need to.)

RVC: How many books do you publish per year, and how many submissions do you receive?

KM: We publish around 18 to 20 books a year, with two seasons of about 8 to 10 books each. Over half of those come from international publishers, so we’re looking at just 2 or 3 U.S.-originated books per season. In terms of submissions, I’d estimate we receive about 3 to 6 submissions a day. Out of all those, only a small handful—maybe one every couple of years—makes it from the slush pile into publication.

RVC: What’s the process like for acquiring books from other countries? How does that happen?

KM: A lot of it happens through international book fairs, especially the Bologna Book Fair, which is a major event for children’s publishing. Our publisher attends, and she has about 50 meetings over four days with different agents and publishers. We also receive projects year-​round. We’re always on the lookout for publishers around the world who are doing interesting work. A lot of these books happen because of relationships—connections that we create with publishers, agents, or translators whose projects we admire and whose taste we trust.

RVC: You seem to have a soft spot for translated books. What’s the appeal?

KM: I love them because they open up a bigger world. One of the best things children’s books can do is crack open a wider world for young readers, introducing them to new perspectives, experiences, and ways of living. Translated books offer that in spades. And while these books showcase differences, they also highlight our shared humanity. In a world where there’s often fear of the “other,” international book can remind us of powerfully of what connects us all.

RVC: Can you share a book that illustrates this effectively?

KM: Absolutely! One book we’re publishing is The Cat Way, which is a translation from Swedish that tells the story of a character who goes for a walk each day with their cat. They’re always the one to lead—until one day the cat asks, “Why do you always get to lead?” The next day, the cat leads the way—down paths the human would never have chosen to take. But it turns out there are some beautiful surprises that come with letting go of control. It’s quirky and gorgeous, and I hope it will make readers stop to ponder what life might look like if they’re willing to see things from other perspectives.

RVC: Let’s talk about your editorial style. How do you approach working with authors, especially for translated projects?

KM: No matter the project, the editorial process moves from the big to the small. We start with macro edits—overall structure and flow—then move to more granular things like line edits and copy edits. For translated books, we’re usually working with books that have already been published—so those big-​picture edits have already been done. We usually can’t change much at that level, though there are exceptions. So for translations most of my work is on the level of line edits and copy edits. For U.S.-originated projects, I’m doing all the different levels of work.

For any book I’m working on, I see my role as a curious, engaged reader. I pay attention to how a text holds my attention, and I look for the places where I’m pulled out of a story because of issues—whether it’s inconsistencies or awkward phrasing or confusing language. I try never to tell an author exactly how to rewrite. At the end of the day, it’s their writing, not mine. But I can ask questions, and offer some potential ways forward—and hopefully in the end the text is stronger than either of us could have found our way to on our own.

RVC: What’s a book you’ve worked on recently that challenged you in unexpected ways?

KM: Every project has its own set of unique challenges. Maybe the challenge is getting a character’s voice just right, or making sure the pacing doesn’t lag, or figuring out how to translate onomatopoeia or wordplay that works differently in another language. The fact-​checking that nonfiction books require always adds an extra layer of complexity, and often sends me down editorial rabbit trails that I might not have anticipated. We spent more than a few hours checking and re-​checking several pages of scientific names for Kingdoms of Life. And I know way more about Ediacaran lifeforms than I would have if I hadn’t worked on How the Sea Came to Be!

RVC: What was the first picture book you ever worked on?

KM: The first book I remember working on—and then getting to hold in my hands when it arrived from the printer—was a collection of stories about saints, written and illustrated by Ruth Sanderson. We had previously published it and were reformatting it, so I only did some light edits, but I still remember that first time I got to feel the thrill of holding a book I helped make.

RVC: What was it like working on The Right Word, a Caldecott Honor book?

KM: It’s still one of my favorite projects. Jen Bryant and Melissa Sweet are brilliant creators and wonderful to work with. Jen and Melissa had worked together on A River of Words before, so they had a strong rapport. The process was very collaborative, with lots of revisions. Peter Mark Roget had a life jam-​packed with fascinating details, so we had a lot of work trimming the story down to the core material. There was a lot of back-​and-​forth, shaping and honing the story and the art, and seeing it come together was just beautiful.

RVC: What do you think of the current state of children’s literature?

KM: I love that the industry has finally recognized the need to reflect the full range of people reading these books. The push for diversity and inclusivity has reshaped books being published—it’s been a long time coming and there’s still so much work to do (especially diversifying the industry itself), but it’s exciting and necessary work. It’s opened the door for a much more interesting range of stories to be told.

At the same time, the rise in book bans is incredibly frustrating. It’s another huge issue in the industry right now. I give credit to authors and publishers for standing their ground and continuing to publish important books despite the challenges, but there’s inevitably some quiet censorship that happens anyway. Educators and librarians are having to be much more cautious about the books they order, and that affects publishers across the board. And so many professionals risk losing their jobs if they dare to speak up. This is a major ongoing challenge that we all have to keep fighting against.

RVC: Since COVID, I’ve always tried to ask a health and wellness question, so here’s yours. What do you do to recharge when you’re not working with books?

KM: Anything that I could do outside. I love backpacking, camping, biking, and oh…I just had the trip of a lifetime!

RVC: Do tell!

KM: My dad grew up in California, and when he was in his early 20s, he backpacked to this one lake in the Sierras a couple times. For as long as I can remember, ever since I was a little kid, I remember him talking about Sky Blue Lake, and my sister and I have always wanted to go back there with him. Last month, we finally made it happen. We went backpacking up in the Sierras with my dad to this place that he’d gone to decades ago, and it was an incredible trip. Our world is staggeringly beautiful, and I love getting the chance to go out and see parts of that.

RVC: What’s one thing you wish literary agents understood better about your job?

KM: How guilty I feel not getting back to them more quickly! I wish that I were able to answer all the emails I get as soon as they land in my inbox, but…you know.…

Thankfully, most people are pretty gracious about that.

RVC: I quite agree. Most agents are terrific. Now, what’s the most common misconception people have about editors?

KM: Sometimes, especially with early-​career writers, I notice certain personalities can be very protective of their writing, even threatened by suggestions for change. I get it—it’s tough because this work is their baby, something they’ve spent months or years on. What I often want to gently whisper in their ear is that we’re all on the same side. As an editor, my goal is to help make the best book possible and ensure it finds success in the world. I’m human and fallible, and I have limited time, which brings certain restrictions, but at the end of the day, my aim is the same as theirs: to create the best book we can.

RVC: What’s the most important thing people should know about Eerdmans?

KM: We’re small, we’re independent, and having such a small list means we’re deeply invested in every book we publish. Bigger publishers have their A, B, and C lists, where only the top books might really get much focus. But since we only publish 8 to 10 books a season, they all have to be good, and they’re all very important to who we are. We tend to keep books in print for a long time. We’re committed to taking on projects that really stand out, and doing them justice by making the highest-​quality books we can.

RVC: Complete the following sentence: “Kathleen Merz is an editor who…”

KM:…is very passionate about the books I work on. I love the chance to continue learning and discovering stories I didn’t even know were out there.

RVC: It’s brag time! What are some forthcoming books you’re excited about?

KM: One book from our Spring 2025 list that I’m particularly excited about is A Universe of Rainbows, a poetry anthology by Matt Forrest Esenwine, illustrated by Jamey Christoph. It’s gorgeous and explores all the different ways rainbows appear around the planet—the rainbows in the sky you think of first, of course, but also rainbows in rivers and hot springs and mountains and plants and animals. It’s a wonderful cross-​section of our planet’s beauty, and along with the poems there are sidebars and back matter full of information for kids to dive into.

The rest of the Spring 2025 list is fantastic too. A few highlights: We’ve got a sly detective/​murder mystery picture book (Ramon Fellini the Dog Detective). We’ve got a story about refugees that uses the imagery of knitting—and plenty of yarn in the art—to describe what it’s like for a life to unravel and need to be knitted back together (Thread by Thread). And we’ve got a book about a dog who whose energetic personality keeps him from being adopted, until he finds the perfect fit working as a conservation dog (Trouble Dog).

RVC: Okay, it’s time for the speed round now. Fast questions and speedy answers, please. Are you ready?

KM. Sure!

RVC: If you could only have one app on your phone, what would it be?

KM: Maps–definitely.

RVC: What movie quote do you use on a regular basis?

KM: Probably Monty Python and the Holy Grail: “And there was much rejoicing.”

RVC: What makes your eyes roll every time you hear it?

KM: Business jargon—like when people say, “I don’t think we have the bandwidth for that.” I cringe even when I catch myself using it!

RVC: Five things you couldn’t do your job without?

KM: Tea, curiosity, a thesaurus, my floofy cat colleague, Misha, and a good walk to clear my head when I’ve been staring at a computer screen too long.

RVC: What’s a picture book from the past year that didn’t get its due?

KM: So many great possibilities. But I’ll mention John the Skeleton. It actually just came out this month, so maybe it will get its due—but I’m going to guess that even still many of your readers may not come across it. It’s a translation from Estonian about a retired classroom skeleton who goes to live with an elderly couple on their farm. We actually looked at this one a few years ago, and I’m so glad that it’s been published in English. It’s delightfully strange—and also funny and tender and profound.

RVC: If you had a dream picture book tea party with three other picture book people–authors, illustrators, or characters from picture books–who would it be?

KM: I’ll go with three creators I think are brilliant (as long as they don’t mind me spending the tea party pestering them with questions): Sydney Smith, Christian Robinson, and Candace Fleming. I’ll also say that I’ve had tea with Melissa Sweet, and it was an absolute delight—so she’s got a standing invite to any tea party I’d throw, too.

RVC: What’s the best compliment a kid ever gave about a book you worked on?

KM: Not a compliment from a kid, per se, but the reaction that comes to mind first is something that a school librarian told one of my colleagues at a conference. We recently published a book called A Star Shines Through. The author is Russian, and when Putin invaded Ukraine, she and her family fled, leaving their apartment behind and moving to Israel, and later to Montenegro. The book comes from that experience—it’s about a mother and daughter fleeing their home because of war and settling in a new, unfamiliar place. Everything feels foreign to them: the food, the language, the buildings. In their old home, they had a star-​shaped lamp in the window, and one day in the new place, the mom brings home the makings of a new star lamp. They create it together, finding a small way to make the new place feel like home.

What the librarian told my colleague was that he knew exactly the kid he wanted to share the book with: a refugee student of his who was struggling to make a home in an unfamiliar city, and had started coming to the library because it felt like a safe space. There’s no better compliment and no better reason we do what we do than hearing that someone has the perfect child in mind for a book. That’s why we do it.

RVC: Great answer. Thanks so much for your time, Kathleen!

The Wisdom of Kidlit Editor Harold Underdown

The whole kidlit world was shocked to find that after several years at Kane Press, Harold Underdown was let go and the entire press went out of business. If you hadn’t heard the details, here’s what Harold shared on Facebook.

Harold Underdown - Executive Editor - Kane Press | LinkedIn

By now you may have seen the news that Kane Press has been shut down by Astra and that I’ve been laid off. There’s a deeper story to that, of course.
Just about three years ago, I stepped into the position of Executive Editor at Kane. At the time, Kane was known for fiction with an educational element, as seen in the Math Matters! and Milo and Jazz series. It was the first imprint bought by Beijing-​based TCBI, as they built up the components of what had already become Astra Publishing House when I arrived. However, their program had languished during the pandemic, and I was brought in specifically to revitalize it, and to find new directions while staying true to its core mission.
I got to work, deliberately broadening the range of what we published, and opening up to submissions from authors and agents. I expected it would take at least 4 to 5 years to see if my approach was working. Progress was slowed by understaffing at Astra and my needing to attend to my ailing elderly mother. But I was able to get my first acquisitions out in Fall 2023, with more following this year, from the Follow My Food series, aimed at a young picture book audience, to “Checkups, Shots, and Robots,” comic-​style nonfiction for middle-​grade readers. A good start, I thought, but I felt that it was my 2025 lists that really showcased what Kane Press could be.
I had just about wrapped up my editorial work on the Fall 2025 list when I was let go. From my perspective, this decision is a waste of the investment of the past three years, but I suspect was driven by the condition of the Chinese economy, which forced TCBI into further cutting expenses.
It’s their loss, as far as I am concerned. I am now looking for a new position with a company in need of an experienced, innovative editor to help them turn around an imprint, to fill a gap in their program, or simply to grow. To be continued…

Harold’s one of the Good Ones in the biz, folks. Read the OPB interview I did with him in 2021 to see for yourself!

To show my support of my colleague and friend, I’m repurposing this month’s Industry Insider post to showcase some of the wisdom Harold’s shared over the years via articles, interviews, workshops, and more.

Enjoy it, and please send Harold your best wishes (and leads for editorial jobs at places that aren’t going to self-destruct).

**Note on the excerpts below. A few had grammatical issues/​typos, and one even seemed to be an unedited AI transcript, so I tweaked the spelling and grammar a few times to ensure readability, though I didn’t add or replace any words.**


What are some of the essential qualities of a good editor?

To start with, you must love reading, because you’ll be doing huge amounts of it, both of manuscripts and published books, from the day you enter the field.

You must care about and be interested in books, publishing, children, schools, libraries, and all the other things you will deal with on a daily basis, and you must be open to learning more about them.

Above all, I think you need to love to work with people in the particular ways an editor does: to get inside what an author is trying to do in a manuscript, and to help them to do it better; to know who is the right illustrator for a given book, and to help them do their best work; to work every day with a team of people brought together to produce a book; and of course to advocate for and help a book within a publishing company and out in the world. We don’t just sit in our offices marking up manuscripts with red pencils!

From Miss Marple’s Musings

Shirley's Illustrations: Miss Marple's Musings, Illustrator Interview


Children’s publishing is in an interesting era right now, isn’t it? Why is it important–now more than ever–to have a foundational understanding of this industry before you start preparing and submitting?

So, there’s a few parts to that question and let me unpack that. From my experience–and I’ve been working in publishing for more than 30 years now–it has ALWAYS been important to know how the business works. And that begins with everything from the different kinds of children’s books. A lot of people come into this with only a vague idea about the complexity of the different areas of children’s books and how they connect to children.

But that’s just the start. You need to understand the process of writing from a practical point of view. Like how to get feedback, not just sitting down and writing at your computer and knowing when you’re ready to send a manuscript out. The process of doing that; what happens later? What happens if a publisher or an agent is interested and what happens eventually when you get to the point of being offered a contract? And then beyond that. How are you going to actually be working with a publisher? That’s always been really important knowledge that often is kept out of the conversation, but the focus is very much a lot of the time in our business on the writing and on the illustrating and you really have to put both of them together and that’s what I’m always aiming to do.

From Highlights Foundation


How do you approach submissions as an editor? What makes you stop reading? 

I’ll answer your question as if I were working in-​house, since that’s what your readers probably want to hear. I always approached submissions with tremendous hope, that the NEXT manuscript I read was going to grab me and not let me go. And, over the years, like all editors do, I did find manuscripts from people I didn’t know that surprised and excited me. That’s a wonderful moment, when it happens.

Of course, most manuscripts in the “slush pile” don’t do that, for one of a number of reasons. I can group them into two categories, I think—there are the books that are obviously wrong for my publisher, either because they don’t publish that particular type of book or because they just did publish something too much like it.

The larger category is the second one, and that’s the one in which I would put various kinds of work that just isn’t good enough. There is uninspired and pedestrian writing, the too-​familiar story, talking animals that teach lessons, “clever” writing that impresses adults but bores children, stilted or clumsy sentences, a slew of bad grammar and spelling (I don’t mind a few mistakes if the story is strong). You can get some more examples of what makes me stop reading in my article “Getting Out of the Slush Pile.”

From Kidlit411

KidLit411


What do you do outside of the book world?

I try to make sure my family is happy. We have a child in kindergarten, who over the past several months has learned to read, mostly on her own initiative. I stay involved with that. It’s satisfying and challenging and nothing at all like any job I’ve ever had.

In case you’re wondering, being a father hasn’t changed how I approach my work as an editor. I’ve greatly enjoyed discovering books I didn’t know about, though, and re-​discovering favorites from my childhood. The Editor as Reader, which I mentioned earlier, goes into some of the discoveries.

From Cynsations


How much should a writer pay attention to a manuscript’s “marketability” and market trends?

This is a short question but it needs a long answer. For one thing, the importance of what’s expected in the market varies by type of book. A manuscript written for a packager creating a MG series MUST be focused on what the market wants, while a “literary” novel should simply be the best that the writer can make it.

In general, paying too much attention to the market is dangerous, as trends can change or die overnight. It can also be difficult to figure out what exactly would make a manuscript “marketable.”

So, my advice for writers in this area is to ignore the trends while they are learning the craft–improving their skills, finding their voice, learning what they most like to write. Once they have a good chunk of experience under their belts they can start to pay more attention to the market, as they will not be unduly influenced by it.

From Carol Baldwin’s Blog


What are the advantages of working with an independent editor?

I don’t know if I’m the right person to ask–you should ask some of my clients! But from what people tell me, there is one reason why many of them work with an independent editor. They have gone as far as they can with the avenues that they have for getting feedback on a manuscript, whether that’s their critique group, a writer friend, conference critiques, or all of those, and they know that they haven’t yet reached the place where they want to be. And so they reach out for help from a professional editor. Their manuscripts are in many different stages–ranging from early drafts with significant flaws to oft-​revised drafts that need a final polish. What they have in common, though, is that they need or want to get help to move it up another level.

From the Mixed-​Up Files…of Middle-​Grade Authors


In speaking with so many industry folks over the years, it seems to me that the picture book world does a very good job letting new agents and editors learn in an apprenticeship model. Was that how it worked for you?

That’s an interesting question. And I actually would say that I didn’t have a full on apprenticeship kind of situation. Because I was working for Macmillan Children’s Books–a large, general purpose children’s book imprint–we did everything from picture books up to young adult. We even had the Macmillan Dictionary for Children along with a couple of other reference books.

There were three or four editors within the imprint–Judith Whipple, Beverly Reingold, and my boss Neal Porter, who was the publisher. I was officially working for Neal, but I also interacted with everybody else, so I was actually learning from all of them. One of the things they did within the department was make copies of all their important correspondence and put it in a file. That would get circulated weekly so we could all see what everybody was working on. That was always really interesting for me to read, because I could see how an editor wrote an editorial letter and how they corresponded with an artist. Another lesson I learned was the reality that publishing is a business.

That’s a tough realization, isn’t it?

I thought of publishing as this noble calling where people are simply making wonderful books. And it is! But also, for every single book that we acquired, I had to do a P&L [profit and loss statement]. And it had to work out and make money for us, after I put in all the expenditures and an overhead percentage and so on. It had to hit a target number of profit.

From Only Picture Books

Editor Interview: Cheryl Eissing (Flamingo Books)

When someone takes the time to write a great social media bio, they deserve kudos, acclaim, and general admiration. Witness editor Cheryl Eissing’s bio at Twitter/​X. “When I’m not editing, I can be found reading with an English Bulldog at my feet, cooking too much pasta, or walking my dog around Brooklyn.”

Love it!

Her bio at Penguin’s website offers two bits of dynamite info as well.

Cheryl mainly edits picture books, with some middle grade and young adult, and is specifically interested in stories that cause giggles, give comfort, and expose their readers to experiences and perspectives they haven’t seen before.”

Cheryl is always looking for commercial and silly yet profound picture books and stories that entertain, educate, and inspire young readers. When she is not editing books, Cheryl can be found befriending dogs on the streets of Jersey City, watching horror movies, or searching for the perfect lychee martini.”

Awesome, right? Let’s talk to her to find out a bit more.


RVC: Let’s deal with the geographic elephant in the room. In the bio snippets above, it seems you have a multi-​state dog love going. What’s the real story there? 

CE: Ha! Unfortunately, the first bio is out of date. I lived in Brooklyn with the bulldog in question (who has sadly crossed the rainbow bridge, as the social media pet community often calls it) but he was the greatest editing and walking companion. I moved to Jersey City in 2020 and still go for dog walks (by that I mean, I walk around Jersey City and admire all the dogs). I will always have a soft spot for bulldogs.

RVC: Got it, thanks. Now, back to the regularly scheduled OPB interview…what aspect/​part of you today gives away where you’re from and how you were raised? 

CE: I grew up in the suburbs of Long Island and went to college in New Jersey, so I’m very serious about bagels and pizza. I’ve just finally grown up and realized you can get good bagels and pizza outside of New York!

RVC: Good to know! Here’s a huge question: what was your first meaningful experience with a book?

CE: Oh goodness, what a big question! Picture books that I have a vivid memory of reading as a kid are Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak, Chrysanthemum by Kevin Henkes and Corduroy by Don Freeman. I just remember each of them speaking to something in me as a child. I always loved the adventure of Corduroy and was amazed by the idea of being alone in a department store after it closed. I loved the fantastical, dreamlike elements of Where the Wild Things Are and absolutely identified with Max’s mischievousness. And as someone who did not like being the only person with my name in my class as a little kid, Chrysanthemum really spoke to me.

RVC: Most of us in the book industry had a powerful experience with a teacher somewhere along the way. What was your MIT (Most Important Teacher) moment?

CE: Ms. Jeans, my second-​grade teacher!

RVC: Best…name…ever.…

CE: She was the absolute best and always made me feel smart and capable. I remember her showing a drawing I did to another teacher—it’s amazing how much those little encouragements are so important and really stick with you!

RVC: Totally agree! Your LinkedIn account says you did your undergraduate studies at Rutgers. What career goal did you have in mind there?

CE: I wanted to be in publishing since I was in high school. I remember looking at all of the YA books on my shelves and thinking, “Okay, I don’t really enjoy writing, but what are the names of these companies on the spines of my books?” and realized that I could work with books in another way. I went into college thinking I’d major in English and then eventually go onto publishing, and always sort of thought if it wasn’t meant to be something else would reveal itself as my calling, but it stuck!

RVC: What was the most useful thing/​skill you learned at Rutgers?

CE: Reading and analyzing literature and seeing the many ways a book can be written and written well. Not all who work in publishing are former English majors, but I felt like it certainly helped me!

RVC: You’re the post child for the power of internships. Share a bit about what you did and how that helped launch your career in the industry.

CE: Because Rutgers was just a train ride away from NYC, I was able to apply for internships and do those in Junior and Senior year. I definitely wouldn’t have been able to do them in Freshman and Sophomore year while I was still getting my bearings and still having to take core requirement classes that took up a lot of my time.

I got lucky with landing my first internship at Abrams, in a department that I wasn’t ultimately interested in, but I was doing admin tasks and learning how publishing worked. That led me to more interviews and more internships. Most of what I did for internships wasn’t stuff that interested me, but it helped me learn how a publishing office worked and gave me good experience!

RVC: It seems like you might’ve had a moment where you considered being an agent. What happened there?

CE: After I graduated college and had just had one interview for a real job, I was feeling very restless and continued applying to internships, which eventually landed me as an intern at a literary agency. It was definitely interesting to learn about that part of the publishing world but I realized it wasn’t for me. I definitely prefer working on shaping a manuscript the most!

RVC: Tell me the story behind the first picture book you acquired. 

CE: The first picture book I acquired was My School Stinks by Becky Scharnhorst and Julia Patton. I met Becky at the Rutgers One-​on-​One Publishing Conference, and we really clicked. We worked on her manuscript (which was originally a camp story rather than a school story) and I loved it so much. Becky was so great at really considering my notes and was so great at writing funny and heartfelt stories. I ended up asking her to change the setting from a summer camp to a school and I remember feeling so worried that she wouldn’t want to change so much about her manuscript (but also completely understanding if she did!) and worrying that she wouldn’t want me as her editor.

In the end, she adapted the manuscript into a school setting, and I just loved it and I was so happy that my publisher agreed, too! We found Julia and adored her artwork–she is so talented at doing mixed media scenes and could really incorporate the journal entry format of the story into her hilarious illustrations. I loved working on My School Stinks!

RVC: What’s the most useful thing you got from that experience? 

CE: I think I learned a lot about the author’s experience of editing a manuscript. Because it was my first acquisition, I had to really carefully consider my words and how to get the best manuscript possible from my author, while still being encouraging and showing how much I love the book. While an editor absolutely feels ownership over each book they edit, ultimately the book is the author and illustrator’s creation! And our job is to give suggestions in how to make the best possible book that is within the author and illustrator’s creative vision! So I think that experience really taught me to really consider the author on the other end of my emails and notes.

RVC: Let’s jump ahead to your recent work. What’s the most important thing people should know or understand about Flamingo Books?

CE: We love funny picture books! We think books that are fun is the best way to make lifelong readers, so often the first thing we look for is humor. We love profound and heartfelt picture books, too, but I’d say a good majority of our books are funny!

RVC: Why is Flamingo Books a great fit for you?

CE: I love to do sweet and silly picture books that tackle big moments or emotions in a child’s life, as well as books that can teach a reader something new, but always with lots of humor and character. I love a funny book and I’m always looking for books that can be funny while still accomplishing other things. I think that humor is such an easy entry point for kids and reluctant readers. I truly believe that any kid who doesn’t like to read just hasn’t been introduced to the right books!

RVC: What does a typical workday look like for you?

CE: A lot of it is answering emails from other departments, looking at passes of books, fielding submissions, and, depending on the time of year, preparing materials for upcoming meetings.

RVC: What’s the most common misconception writers have about editors?

CE: I think some writers might feel like getting a lot of edits means their editor thinks that they’re not a good writer. Editing can take a lot of time and several rounds (some take 10 rounds or even more!). Sometimes we don’t notice something the first 5 times we read it. Or sometimes fixing one problem in the manuscript creates another. Having lots of edits is very normal and part of the process!

RVC: What’s your editing superpower? 

CE: Oh, I really don’t know! I guess I’m good at editing funny books?

RVC: Speaking of editing superpowers, you’ve had some real successes. Share what it’s like to find out a book you edited is on the New York Times bestseller list. 

CE: It is really really cool. Being on the NY Times list is not the end-​all-​be-​all of a book’s success by any means, but it’s definitely something that holds a lot of weight in the industry and it is so great to have one of your books succeed in that way. I think the coolest part is that books that land on that list are because of the work of so, so many of your colleagues who loved it. A book that you acquired and worked hard on, and launched to them, and hoped they would love as much as you do. Having a whole team to work hard with and celebrate with is really lovely!

RVC: I believe you worked on a book written by my friend, Michelle HoutsHopefully, the Scarecrow.

CE: Yes! I adore Hopefully the Scarecrow!

RVC: What grabbed you about that story? 

CE: Michelle’s voice throughout the story was what I instantly loved. It had this timelessness to it that felt like a book I could’ve read 50 years ago but also felt so current.

RVC: Your feeling on art notes?

CE: I LOVE how that book turned out. We waited a whole extra year just to have Sara Palacios illustrate and it was so worth the wait! That book is gorgeous and I sometimes just pop it open to stare at the art. It’s one of those book where the words and art really work together perfectly.

RVC: A lot of aspiring writers read OPB. Let’s help them out—offer some examples of “commercial and silly yet profound picture books” please!

CE: The Bad Seed series by Jory John and Pete Oswald, A Hungry Lion by Lucy Ruth Cummins, We Found a Hat by Jon Klassen, Strictly No Elephants by Lisa Mantchev and Taeeun Yoo, Something’s Wrong by Jory John and Erin Kraan.

RVC: Since COVID, I’ve made a point out of asking everyone a health and wellness action. Here’s yours. What do you do to de-stress?

CE: I like to cook, or exercise, or read a book for pleasure.

RVC: One final question for this part of the interview, Cheryl. If you had to summarize the most important thing you’ve learned about picture books, what would it be?

CE: I guess it would be that picture books have power. They can teach kids about empathy, friendship, loss, feelings, family, differences, etc. and can shape who they are as a person.

RVC: Okay, here we go. It’s the LIGHTNING ROUND. Zippy zoomy questions followed by zapptastically fast answers. Are you ready?

CE: Yes!

RVC: What “old person” thing do you do?

CE: I really like jigsaw puzzles and Sudoku.

RVC: If someone narrated your life, who would you want to be the narrator?

CE: Kathryn Hahn or Ayo Edebiri.

RVC: If you had a giraffe you needed to hide, where would you hide it?

CE: Under a blanket.

RVC: What are five things you couldn’t do your job without?

CE: A notebook, a laptop, post-​its, Diet Dr Pepper, Rhymezone.com

RVC: Who sets the standard for picture book rhymes?

CE: Anna Dewdney and Sandra Boynton.

RVC: What’s a favorite line from a picture book you edited?

CE: “Great job, Buffalo. Help yourself to some potato salad.” (From Porcupine & Cactus by Katie Frawley & Alex Willmore)

RVC: Thanks so much, Cheryl!

Agent Interview: Dan Cramer (Page Turner Literary Agency)

A2821821-DF59-4A87-A703-38E5D84FCD7D.jpgImagine a world where a former forensic scientist analyzes the ingredients of a perfect picture book – with a side of horror movies and ambitious baking goals. That’s the reality of Dan Cramer, founder of Page Turner Literary Agency.

This quirky agent is driven by a deep love for reading and believes children’s books have the power to be surprisingly bold. Let’s explore his unique perspective and discover what makes this book lover’s heart sing. Along the way, we’ll learn a bit about his agency and clients, too!


RVC: Let’s begin with an easy but important question. Do you go by Dan or Daniel?

DC: I accept all forms of my name. Dan, Daniel, Danny, Daniel Boone, Booner, and Uncle Boone. I usually just introduce myself as Dan because it’s short and easy to say. I had a speech impediment when I was younger.

RVC: Okay, Dan. Let’s dive into the real question on everyone’s minds. Henry…great rescue dog, or the GREATEST rescue dog?

DC: Henry is obviously the GREATEST rescue dog. He’s a Great Dane/​Lab mix. He’s wonderfully lovable and currently a great big brother to his new sister, Longaniza (Lawn-​gah-​knee-​sah) or just Niza (Knee-​sah) for short. She’s a mini dachshund and her name is a Filipino breakfast sausage. My husband is Filipino and a cozy murder mystery series I enjoy by Mia P. Manansala has a dachshund by the same name in the books.

RVC: Makes perfect sense to me! Now, what’s the best lesson Henry has taught you that serves you well in your role as a literary agent?

DC: He’s always excited to go on an adventure. As a literary agent, I have to be excited to go on adventures, too. I have to dive into the worlds created by authors and illustrators and imagine a place for their stories in this big crazy literary world. If I’m not being adventurous, I’m probably not doing my job right.

RVC: Let’s hit the other Big Question here. How often are you mistaken for this Daniel Cramer (who is a film agent for William Morris)?

DC: That hasn’t happened yet – that I know of. But does make me want to read a murder mystery of literary agent mistaken identity! Two agents. Same name. One dead body. Will Daniel Cramer land the deal or end up six feet under? Cue dramatic music.

RVC: I’m in! But while we’re waiting for that book/​movie to happen, let’s circle back to the questions I meant to ask already, like this—what was your first important book experience as a kid?

DC: I was a very reluctant reader as a kid. The first book I remember reading on my own was Squanto, Friend of the Pilgrims and Shiloh after that. While I enjoyed both books, I wasn’t all excited to read more books. I read a few Box Car Children books and Amelia Bedelia. Again, I enjoyed reading them, but my love of reading still wasn’t there. It wasn’t until fifth grade when I read the Chronicles of Narnia (out of order) that I really fell in love with reading. Since then, I’ve just been turning pages.

RVC: Where/​how did you get the bug to be an FBI person?

DC: My undergraduate degrees are in Forensic and Investigative Sciences and Psychology. I went to West Virginia University and the Forensic program was connected with the FBI Lab. During my senior year, we had to do our own research and present our findings at a CBD-​IAI conference. My best friend and I (still best friends) worked together. Our research was on developing latent fingerprints on the adhesive side of tape. A recruiter from the FBI approached us after our presentation and took our contact information. Unfortunately, that was also at the same time the government had a shut down and they weren’t hiring. So, I did a year of grad school in pathology and my friend worked for a local police department as an evidence technician. About a year after our presentation, I got the call from the FBI recruiter asking if I was interested in working at the lab and if I had my best friend’s contact information. I said yes to both.

RVC: What was the most difficult aspect of that work?

DC: There was a rigorous 18-​month training program that I went through learning all about the science of friction ridge skin, processing evidence, learning to testify as an expert witness, and comparing unknown prints to known prints. The most difficult aspect was the comparison of unknown prints to known prints. TV makes it look easy, but it’s a very difficult process. The unknown prints are rarely pristine. There is always some type of distortion (smeared, smudged, wiped, etc.) and most unknown prints are just a partial print – sometimes just a few ridges. My mentor realized, and if I’m honest with myself, I realized too that I wasn’t great at comparison. So, I did a lateral transfer within the laboratory to the Evidence Control Unit, where I was the first person to see the evidence arriving at the lab, would inventory the evidence, and help determine its life cycle within the laboratory (which forensic testing would be conducted on each item of evidence.)

RVC: In what way(s) did it prepare you for your career as a literary agent?

DC: I’m very organized and can handle large volumes of information without being overwhelmed. Some cases would have thousands of items of evidence and I would have to keep track of all of it.

RVC: How did the shift—from FBI person to agent—happen?

DC: I met my husband while I was working for the FBI. We both lived in DC and met the old-​fashioned way – in a bar. I didn’t even have a smart phone at the time. We both agreed that while we loved the DC area, it just wasn’t for us. So, we moved to the Chicagoland area where he grew up.

The Mob Doctor DVD Release DateRVC: That’s where I grew up too. Small world!

DC: I started working as an internal affairs investigator for the sheriff, and still do presently. (Side note: While waiting to get my internal affairs job, I did background acting work on TV shows filmed in Chicago. You can see me in Boss Season 2 and Mob Doctor.)

RVC: [working hard to find those episodes online as I ask…] What happened next in terms of your career path?

DC: In 2017, I had a conversation with myself about what I really wanted to do. I really didn’t want to be in law enforcement anymore. So, I distilled down what I loved doing, what brought me joy. The answer was always books and writing. I researched careers and literary agent seemed to be the perfect fit.

I did a cold email to Flannery Literary to see if they had any internship opportunities. I wasn’t looking for monetary compensation – I really just wanted to learn the ropes. I was fortunate enough that Jennifer did need an intern. She taught me the ropes and her joy with her work showed me I was making the right choice for my life. Jennifer was an excellent mentor and helped in more ways than I’ll ever be able to repay her.

RVC: What’s the story behind the first picture book you repped and sold?

DC: A Costume for Charly by CK Malone and illustrated by Alejandra Barajas was the first picture book I sold. I love that it’s the first one. CK and I are both part of the LGBTQIA2S+ community and one of my missions for my agency is to bring more queer representation to children’s literature. CK is also a gem to work with – all my clients are actually. They really think on my crazy ideas, and I think we’ve developed a relationship where we can present any idea to each other. I hope I can continue to bring more representation of all kinds to children’s literature.

RVC: What lessons did that book teach you?

DC: That I could actually do this job. I started as an intern in 2017, then an associate agent in 2019. I didn’t sell A Costume for Charly until June 2021. That’s four years, and I wasn’t sure if I was smart enough, savvy enough, creative enough for this industry. A Costume For Charly probably saved my Agent life and helped bring to life 18 other books from my other clients, including a second one from CK.

RVC: Let’s talk about your agency. What’s the most important thing people should know or understand about it?

DC: That reading books with all kinds of representation is important not only for our souls, but also for our society. Books build up empathy in us and looking around right now – we need that more than ever. So, be fearless in your writing and illustrating! You never know what child needs your words or your art. I want my agency to help bring more varied voices to the table.

RVC: How hands-​on are you in the editing process before sending out a picture book manuscript?

DC: I love working collaboratively and being the agent the author needs. I’ve help from the developmental stages to just having to do some line editing. And each time, no matter how involved I need to be, it’s magic.

RVC: What’s a daily workday look like for you?

DC: Crazy right now – lol! I work a full-​time job as an internal affairs investigator, and I do agenting whenever I can fit it in throughout my day. And with our new puppy, Niza, there’s potty training. I try to be cognizant of my mental health too. We have a culture that’s always go, go, go and that’s hard. I make sure to find time to rest and get in all the doggy snuggles I can.

RVC: Please share a client success story from idea to publication. 

DC: This is a hard question because any book that gets published is a success. In traditional publishing there are so many gate-​keepers, including myself. So, a story breaking down each gate to make it to the shelves of bookstores, libraries, and our homes is a success. But getting your book published is not the only success in this industry. You need define what success is for you, which can be anything – sticking to a writing/​illustrating schedule, joining a critique group, going to a conference, etc. Don’t compare yourself to others because it will steal your joy. Celebrate all your successes and others’ successes, filling your life/​career with joy.

Okay, I’ll hop of my soap box now and I’ll speak of a most recent success. I signed on Melody Sumaoang Plan during a Writers Workshop Virtual Conference during COVID. She pitched me a lyrical nonfiction series about composting. There was minimal work needed to get the first manuscript ready for submission. During the first round there was interest from an editor who asked for a revise and resubmit. We did the R&R and the editor ended up passing. We were both ok with that because the editor did help us create a stronger manuscript. And we celebrated those successes – the R&R and a stronger manuscript. We went back on submission and the story was picked up by Tilbury House and is set to be published this July. We received notice at the end of April that Inside the Compost Bin received a starred review from Kirkus Reviews. A first for both Page Turner Literary Agency and Melody!

RVC: Congrats to you both on that! Let’s help up some future clients by sharing this–what’s the most common misconception about agents or agenting?

DC: We only pass because your writing/​illustrating is bad.

This isn’t true. There are many reasons agents have to pass on queries. For instance, I’m a one-​person show at Page Turner Literary Agency. I’m the only one looking at queries, working with my clients, pitching to editors, creating presentations for conferences, doing all the business stuff that goes with owning an agency. Plus, I work another full-​time job. So, I have to be extremely selective of who I sign on or how many clients I represent. I can tell you right now that I have a pile of work and always have a pile of work. I’m fortunate enough to have clients that understand and are patient with me.

Other reasons I pass are – your writing isn’t bad, it’s just not ready yet, I have something similar, I’m not the right agent to help you elevate your manuscript, your story is written well, but it’s not going to stand out in a crowded market. An automatic pass from me will be if you are rude, bigoted, racist, homophobic, etc in your query letter or submission. Luckily that doesn’t happen often.

RVC: In all your experience as an agent, what has surprised you the most?

DC: The length of time the whole process takes. You have to be patient and persistent in this industry. You will fail if you don’t have those two qualities.

RVC: Any other surprises?

DC. The other thing that has surprised me are the creative ways people tell stories. Jennifer once told me that there are no new stories, just new ways to tell them. And the innovative ways people come up with to tell their stories is fascinating.

RVC: If you could offer one key piece of advice to a new writer or illustrator hoping to get an agent’s attention, what would it be?

DC: Read what you write or illustrate as much as you can. As Gary Paulsen would say, “Read like a wolf eats.” And as you are reading, really study what that author or illustrator has done. Ask yourself what you liked about the story, what you didn’t like, how you would have done it, and, especially for picture books, read them aloud.

This career, writing and illustrating, is an isolating career. Join critique groups, writing groups, go to conferences if you’re able, participate in Twitter/​X pitch events, develop writing/​illustrating friends. Having a connection to this community will help you both in your craft and mentally.

RVC: What do you do to de-​stress or for downtime?

DC: I listen to a lot of audiobooks, read, bake, play with my dogs, be outdoors, run, lift weights, I’m learning ballet, go to the movies, and sometimes just sitting on the couch with my husband and our dogs enjoying each others’ presence.

RVC: One last question for this part of the interview. It’s Brag Time! What are some upcoming Page Turner projects that you want to rave about?

DC: 2024 is a big year for Page Turner Literary Agency! We’ve already had four books released this year and have five more coming out. There are several projects in the works that haven’t been announced yet, and a few in the negotiations stage. I also have big hopes that my MG and YA clients will break into the industry this year.

RVC: Okay, Dan. It’s time to move to the second and final part of the interview. It’s…THE LIGHTNING ROUND! The point values are quadrupled and the key to success is speed, speed, speed. So, quick questions and awesomely fast answers. Are you ready?

DC: Absolutely!

RVC: If you only had one app on your phone, it’d be…

DC: Gmail.

RVC: If you had to bake one item to save your life, what’s on the menu?

DC: Pumpkin Roll – it seems to be everyone’s favorite, so it should be able to save my life.

CREEP (2014) — CULTURE CRYPTRVC: Most underappreciated horror movie?

DC: Creep.

RVC: What are five things you couldn’t do your job without?

DC: Internet, Gmail, Ipad, Clients, Creativity.

RVC: Beyond your own list, what’s the last picture book that actually made you LOL?

DC: I’m Not Missing, with words and story by Kashelle Gourley and art and story by Skylar Hogan. It’s the dog’s side-​eye for me.

RVC: Your picture book philosophy in five words or fewer.

DC: Write for your inner child.

RVC: Thanks so much, Dan! This was terrific.

Agent Interview: Heather Cashman (Storm Literary Agency)

Today, we’re diving into the imaginative world of Heather Cashman, a seasoned literary agent at Storm Literary Agency, whose dynamic career spans across the evocative realms of Picture Books, Middle Grade, Young Adult, and Adult fiction and nonfiction. Heather’s enthusiasm for boundary-​pushing narratives and her commitment to fostering books that evoke a sense of wonder make her a distinguished figure in the literary community.

Heather brings a unique blend of scientific background and creative zest to her role, embodying a true nomadic spirit that seeks out the unexplored and unexpected in literature. Whether it’s a new twist on historical fiction or a fresh perspective in a picture book, Heather is on a quest to discover stories that do things she never knew books could do.

For those who craft narratives with layered hooks and genre blends, or those who write with a blend of commercial appeal and literary elegance, Heather’s insights today will be especially enlightening. Stay tuned as we explore her journey from biochemist to literary agent, her passion for non-​didactic, empowering children’s literature, and her advice for aspiring authors navigating the complex currents of the publishing world.

Let’s get inspired by Heather’s story and learn how we, too, can think outside the book!


RVC: You earned a degree in biochemistry, but that career path didn’t take. What’s the story here?

HC: I love biochemistry! It’s fascinating and a wonderful career path. However, I had three kids in four years and chose to stay home with them, during which time I began writing. And writing. And I just didn’t want to stop! And I started studying editing, became a CP for people, loved the process, and after years of studying and interning, I became a professional editor. By then my kids were in middle school and high school, and I had to make a choice. But I was so passionate about all things writing and editing, I just kept going.

RVC: Your website lists three main areas of creative efforts—literary agent, podcast host, and way-​word writer. Which came first, and how do these roles inform each other?

HC: Writer, then editing and interning and working as the host of Pitch Wars with Brenda Drake got me into the conference circuit, which is where I met Vicki Selvaggio, the owner of Storm Literary.

Writing informs everything. Knowing what it’s like to be a writer in the query trenches, knowing what it’s like to struggle for the words, to pour your heart and soul into a book—it all helps me help my clients. I understand what it’s like, but I also understand how tough it is, how difficult it is to stay motivated, and what the industry takes from you. But I also know that you won’t make it if you don’t put your boots back on, dust yourself off, and get back on the horse.

Being an agent, I hope to understand the industry side, the business side of writing. The sales, the marketing, the hoops you jump through with acquisitions, the contracts, the editing, the selling, the hooks, making your manuscript stand out. All of these things inform my own writing, influences the advice I give my clients and how we strategize selling their books, and also helps me assess each query submission.

The podcast ties all this together for me. As a writer, I need community. As an agent, I feel like I have a way to help writers, but also know intimately what writers navigating publishing today would like to hear about. Knowledge is the key to power—to success. I hope the podcast empowers writers in every facet of a writer’s life, from mental health to craft, the business side of things, the shifting that constantly occurs in this industry, as well as the community. I want it to break down the barriers and stigmas associated with the different paths to publishing. And I hope it provides a nurturing environment for people looking to connect in a real way. We need each other.

RVC: We’ll circle back to the other topics soon, but let’s talk podcasts. Way-​word Writers is very new. Why tackle this big project?

HC: I needed it. I needed to get out of my own small world and talk to writers out there. Every podcast guest has amazed me, informed me, taught me, and been so fun to talk to. I’ve laughed, cried, expanded my own horizons. Even if nobody listened to it, I would want to keep doing it.

RVC: What’s the most difficult aspect of hosting a podcast?

HC: I guess not wanting to do it all the time. I would be interviewing twice as many people if I could afford the time. I absolutely love these guests.

RVC: Way-​Word is more than just a podcast or website, though. What other things do you do/​offer?

HC: We began with just the podcast. But many of our listeners have asked for workshops, retreats, and conferences. So we’re introducing workshops first, probably slowly. Then we’re having an online conference Fall 2024 and then an in-​person retreat in Spring 2025. We’ll see how those go, and if they go well, we’ll try to do them on a regular basis. Fingers crossed!

RVC: If I asked your colleagues at Way-​Word Writers, what would they say is your superpower?

HC: I asked my colleagues, because I don’t see myself as having any superpowers. They said that my superpowers are kindness and compassion, and that I’m dependable, thoughtful, and a good listener. *blushing bright pink!*

RVC: You’re not just a champion of writers—you’re a writer of science fiction and fantasy for adults and young adults, and “the occasional picture book.” What’s your current project?

HC: I have a book on submission right now with my agent that studies the line where preference becomes prejudice, about a young woman who loves the taste of oranges, the sound of a cello, and a certain boy, but her AI-​run government and society demands randomness, so that prejudice can’t ever happen. I’m also working on a picture book about traditions and how different traditions around the world can unify families.

RVC: What do you enjoy most about writing your own picture books?

HC: I love remembering what it was like to be a little child, without all the experiences that jade us, when it was just me napping on the back of my horse while she ate grass out behind the wash shed.

RVC: Let’s talk about being an agent. You came up via the internship route, right? How did you make that happen?

HC: It was a combination really. I’d been interning at an agency and then a publishing house, and I was doing the conference circuit. So things came together for me in a way—a perfect Storm!

Basically I worked A LOT for free for many years.

RVC: Prior to joining Storm Literary Agency, you worked as an editor at Cornerstones UK. How did you fare in the editorial role?

HC: I loved editing and still do! But it always made me sad when I fell in love with a manuscript and then didn’t get to see it through to the selling and publishing stage.

RVC: Talk a bit about how editorial you are in your work as an agent.

HC: When I first started as an agent, I was very editorial. The busier I get with things though, the less time I have to do detailed line or copy edits to really elevate the writing. But I still read and give as much feedback as I possibly can. I always want to give my authors the very best chance at a sale!

RVC: You landed at Storm Literary Agency. What’s the most important thing people should know or understand about that agency?

HC: We’re very much a team. We’re collaborative, have a family atmosphere, and we foster agents and clients alike to be the best they can. This industry takes a village, because books are like children: they’re complex, they grow, they need nurturing and advocates to fight for them. Storm is that village.

RVC: Why is Storm Literary Agency a great fit for you?

HC: I need nurturing too! Also, I love to help the other agents and writers, and Vicki and Essie are so supportive and offer their wealth of knowledge and experience freely. It’s a wonderful place to work.

RVC: What was the first picture book you sold? What’s the story behind that?

HC: The first picture book I sold was a nonfiction picture book by my client Nathalie Alonso titled My Name is Roberto (Calkins Creek, 2025), and it’s been a long time coming! I fell in love with Nathalie’s writing. She’s a fireball with so much heart and soul, and that gets poured right into her books.

RVC: What’s the most useful lesson that first picture book sale taught you?

HC: I could do it. And if I sold one book, I could do it again.

RVC: You’ve mentioned that you love “timeless picture books.” Could you discuss a few examples and what, in your view, contributes to their timelessness?

HC: Corduroy by Don Freeman. As timeless as corduroy itself, it’s a book about finding the perfect someone. We all need that.

Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak. Everyone has an inner monster, and that inner monster gets in trouble, and I love that this book teaches us to identify that inner monster and acknowledge it without letting it keep us from our dinner.

If You Give A Mouse A Cookie by Laura Joffe Numeroff. So fun, and we are all that mouse.

To me, timeless books universally resonate with us because they reveal ourselves—they reveal to us the human condition and help us realize that we aren’t the only ones who feel this way—no matter what our age.

RVC: As an agent, you’ve mentioned a love for books that “do things I never knew books could do.” Could you give an example of such a book?

HC: I’ve seen books that can turn into beehives, books that unfold and turn into a map, books that transform the way you live or think.

RVC: Can you talk about a time when a project took a completely different direction after your initial feedback and turned out better because of it?

HC: I gave someone an 18-​page edit letter for their YA and they asked me why I even took them on as a client. We worked on another project for a while, but after they went back and did the edits on that first project, it became a NYT Bestseller. And while my edits did help, it was their vision, talent, and perseverance that made the difference.

RVC: What a great story! Now, in your opinion, what are the key components of a successful author-​agent relationship?

HC: Communication, understanding, and a willingness to keep learning craft.

RVC: How do you handle the delicate balance of creative input with respecting an author’s artistic vision?

HC: I ask questions, make suggestions, and then let them figure it out. I trust them to know what they’re trying to do and say.

RVC: How do you identify and help authors capitalize on emerging trends in the publishing industry?

HC: My authors have a lot of manuscripts in a folder and I go through them and we discuss, or sometimes I ask them if they have anything an editor is looking for.

RVC: You’ve been involved with Pitch Wars, #PitMad, and Pitch Madness. Why did you get involved?

HC: To find a community of talented authors and creators and surround myself with a community of like-​minded people who want to lift rather than tear down.

RVC: What’s your favorite success story from those opportunities?

HC: I loved every author I worked with, both the mentors and my mentees, and I don’t think I have a favorite success story. There were so many talented authors who went on to do great things.

RVC: I confess—I don’t know anyone who lives the RV life, but it’s something you do full time. What’s a typical workday look like for you?

HC: My workday is very similar to anyone else, I think, as far as working around 10 hours and reading at night. I guess the main difference is that when I make my tea and go sit outside, I’m in the wilderness somewhere. And it’s always changing. Sometimes I’ll edit while in my lawn chair by a river. We’re off grid because we are 100% solar, so we often stay in national parks or forests with the deer and squirrels.

RVC: Your bio says you love kayaking, hiking, and motorcycling. How often do you get to do those things?

HC: I sometimes do small hikes in the mornings, but usually we do something on Saturdays and/​or holidays.

RVC: Alright, Heather. Let’s jump into the much-​beloved, never-​equaled, always-​exciting LIGHTNING ROUND. Zippity-​zoomy questions followed by fasty-​blasty answers, please. Are you ready?

HC: Yes!

RVC: Favorite writing/​editing snack?

HC: Bengal spice tea with lemon.

RVC: Which picture book character would be the best mascot for your RV?

HC: Little Bear.

RVC: If you could swap lives with any picture book character for a day, who would you choose?

HC: Christopher Robin.

RVC: What’s a recent picture book gem that didn’t yet get the attention it deserves?

HC: Too many to count!

RVC: Who sets the standard for picture book rhymes?

HC: Experienced editors who know meter and rhyme, and also know what a great read aloud sounds like. If you meant picture book authors, I would say Dr. Seuss.

RVC: Heather Cashman is an agent who…

HC: …wants all the books!

RVC: Thanks so much, Heather!

Freelance Editor Interview: Emma D. Dryden

**Thanks to picture book author Dianne Ochiltree for stepping in to be the guest interviewer this month!**

Meet Emma D. Dryden, founder and principal of drydenbks, a premier provider of editorial and coaching services for the children’s publishing industry. Prior to her role as guiding light at drydenbks, Emma was a children’s book editor–first at Random House Children’s Books, and next at McElderry Books, an imprint of Macmillan Children’s Books, where she worked with the legendary Margaret K. McElderry. After Ms. McElderry’s retirement, Emma was made Vice President, Editorial Director of the imprint; in 2005 she became Vice President, Publisher of Atheneum Books for Young Readers and Margaret K. McElderry Books, imprints of Simon & Schuster Children’s Publishing, a position she held until 2009 when she launched drydenbks.

​Over the course of her career Emma has edited more than 1,000 books for children and young readers. As publisher, she oversaw a staff of editors and the annual publication of over one-​hundred hardcover and paperback titles. The books she’s edited have received numerous awards and honors, starred reviews, were named to year-​end “best of” lists, received regional and national publicity and acclaim, and hit the bestseller lists in USA Today, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Publishers Weekly, and other national publications.

So, who better to ask questions about picture books, children’s publishing, and everything bookish? Let’s go!


DO: What first attracted you to children’s publishing?

EM: Long before I majored in English Language and Literature in college, I was an avid reader and book-​lover. I thought about becoming a writer, but decided I’d rather be immersed in lots of different kinds of stories and lots of different kinds of writing, which made me think I could enjoy being an editor working with all kinds of writers. I was particularly drawn to children’s publishing because I never outgrew my love for illustrated books. To be honest, I have never really outgrown that aspect of my childhood in which I found great solace and comfort in books, which is why I still adore reading children’s books—especially picture books and middle grade.

DO: What about the children’s publishing industry has kept you engaged in it for all these years? 

ED: I was lucky to be hired by fantastic editors who became mentors and friends; and I quickly felt—and continue to feel—a kinship and shared spirit with people in all aspects of the children’s publishing industry. I love the range of topics, categories, genres, voices, styles, and shapes of children’s books and thrive on the marvelous variety of books and projects on which I’ve been able to work throughout my career—working on a picture book, a MG novel, and a poetry collection one day; working on a YA novel, a board book, and a graphic novel the next.

DO: What was it like working with legendary Margaret K. McElderry? 

ED: Margaret was a tremendous editor from whom I learned so much, from how to reject a manuscript with sensitivity and how to get the best out of an author by posing thoughtful questions during the editing process, to how to conduct oneself professionally and never forgetting to take time to laugh. Margaret was tough—she had to be; it was her name on the spines of those books! She also had such a lovely and sharp sense of humor. She was an inspiration to me in so many ways and I am ever grateful our paths crossed in the ways they did.

DO: How has the picture book form, and the industry itself, evolved in the years of your career?

ED: This is an interesting question insofar as my first thought is that the picture book form hasn’t really changed all that much—not when it comes to the basic “mechanics” of a picture book being 32 or 40 pages with or without endpapers, relying on page turns to create tension and an impetus for a reader to find out what happens next, being illustrated in a way that expands and deepens the text, and so forth. The picture book industry itself is always evolving and growing and picture books can afford terrific opportunities for authors and illustrators to really play with language, perspective, boundaries, voice, and more. It’s these elements that I see ever evolving as picture book creators experiment and apply new ways of storytelling and new ways of engaging young readers.

DO: What services do you offer to authors, publishers, and agents? 

ED: drydenbks LLC provides editorial and creative services to children’s book authors, illustrators, publishers, and agents. Over fourteen years this has included engaging in consultancy and coaching services with authors about their manuscripts, evaluating a small press’ publishing goals and brainstorming how to expand or focus their program, assisting authors sent to me by their agents to ready their manuscripts for submission, helping illustrators update and energize their websites as they prepare to query agents, explaining the ins and outs of children’s publishing to potential publishers, and leading workshops or retreats about different aspects of the writing and revision process.

DO: Can you describe your ideal picture book client? 

ED: The ideal picture book client is the author or author/​illustrator who has not only worked on writing and revising (and revising and revising) their manuscript or dummy, but who has spent time studying how picture books work so they fully appreciate the importance and purpose of the page turn, the importance of leaving a lot unsaid in the text that can be expressed through illustrations, and who is fully open to new ideas and perspectives about their work for the sake of making their project truly sing.

DO: How can potential clients best prepare for their work with you, so they—and you—can get the most from the critique and coaching experience? 

ED: Ideally, I prefer to work with clients who have completed manuscripts—and not simply first drafts, but multiple drafts; clients who have revised their work as much as they can on their own. I don’t hold back in my critiques—so the ideal client is someone who has spent time before they contact me learning about children’s publishing, learning about the category and genre in which they’re writing, and understanding what to expect from a professional critique. Those who have been through some sort of critiquing and workshopping before they work with me are usually more open to entertaining new perspectives and ideas about their work and exploring the kind of provocative “what if?” suggestions and questions I like to pose—and that makes our work together richer and more productive.

DO: What do you think is a key element to crafting an excellent picture book manuscript?

ED: Picture books are a wondrous collaborative art form. Words and illustrations must harmonize—each bringing their own personality, emotion, and mood to create a memorable harmony. It’s important for picture book authors to understand and be excited by the fact that illustrators will not be putting their exact words into pictures in a literal interpretation, but will be adding a whole other level of story to their words. I encourage picture book authors to think of their texts as the musical score that accompanies a drama we see upon a stage. And so saying, the musical score of the picture book needs to be poetry, subtle, emotional, and not overblown–not so loud that it drowns out the drama that will be enfolding on the pages through the artwork.

DO: How do you think picture book authors and illustrators can meet challenges they might experience during the writing/​submission/​ agenting/​publishing process?

ED: So, first off, I will say authors and illustrators WILL without a doubt experience challenges all along the way from story concept inception through publication and even into the aftermath of publication. The breadth and depth of these challenges will vary depending upon so many factors that are without or within a person’s control, including an individual’s personality, experience, background, artistic process, support system, goals, expectations, life changes, definition of success, someone else’s rules, and more. It’s not easy to generalize, of course, but one thing I will say I’ve learned over the course of my long career in this business—a business which has always had ups, downs, highs, and lows—is that the best way to get through challenges is for an author or illustrator to figure out ways to keep going with their creative work and to truly honor their creative work—in whatever form that takes. That could mean grabbing just ten minutes a day for some sort of creativity, finding a new form of support system, getting out of your comfort zone to try something new, taking a class, scripting a tough conversation you know you need to have, asking for help, and above all, giving yourself grace.

In crafting a story—nearly any story, really—a main character can’t evolve or grow without facing challenges. Conflict is what propels a story, a main character, a reader forward to find out what happens. So too in our own lives, right? The more we can figure out how best to face, manage, and learn from challenges, the more we will be able to grow and evolve. It’s not easy and sometimes completely new paths will have to be forged, but I urge authors and illustrators to remember that what they always have is their creativity and their ideas—and these are worth nurturing even through the hardest challenges.

DO: In addition to your work as editorial consultant, you’ve written poetry, essays, and articles for industry publications. How does your experience as a writer influence the work you do with authors?

ED: Writing and revising my own work—on a deadline—has made me appreciate how hard writing and revision—on or off a deadline!—can be. Spending time, energy, and emotional grit on my own writing reminds me how important it is as an editor and coach to respect and empathize with what authors and artists do—and never to take any aspect of the creative process for granted.

DO: Editing, consulting, coaching, writing—whew! You are a busy entrepreneur. What do you like to do in your downtime? 

ED: I don’t have the healthiest work-​life balance (show me any self-​employed person who does!), but when I can, I love spending time with friends, being outside in nature, and traveling—particularly to places with loads of animals and fascinating land- or seascapes.

DO: Speaking of entrepreneurs, you have co-​written a wonderful picture book titled What Does It Mean to Be an Entrepreneur?, published by Sourcebooks/​Little Pickle Press in 2016. Can you tell us how that project came about? 

ED: I’d worked with author and entrepreneur Rana DiOrio for quite a while before we co-​wrote our book. I’d been editing some of the books Rana was publishing at Little Pickle Press and we were talking about adding a title to her What Does It Mean to Be…? series about entrepreneurship. Not an easy or accessible subject for picture book age readers, to be sure—and after seeing some writing/​outline samples that we didn’t think were working, I jokingly said “We could write this book ourselves!”—and Rana took me seriously. So we gave it a try.

Our collaboration was tremendous fun, both of us bringing years of experience as entrepreneurs and picture book experts to the process. We created a spare text which at first glance seems to be a string of disparate general ideas, but which we wove together by coming up with a strong visual narrative storyline for the book. It’s in the illustrations where a main character and plot could come alive to pull our ideas all together. We shared our vision with the oh-​so-​talented illustrator, Ken Min, who completely got it and the book was born. I’m very proud of that book!

DO: What is your one best piece of advice for all our author friends out there? 

ED: Can I give two pieces of advice?

DO: Sure!

ED: Take plenty of time between drafts of your work. Don’t underestimate the writing and revising of your story that goes on in your subconscious mind between drafts. It’s necessary and important!

Whether or not publication is your goal, keep writing for the sake of writing and then ask yourself how you define “success” when it comes to your writing. If you attend workshops, retreats, and webinars and are members of groups like Highlights Foundation, SCBWI, or WNDB, you will be hearing a lot about other authors’ processes, goals, dreams, and projects. That can be inspiring, but it’s important for you to recognize and nurture your specific processes, goals, dreams, and projects. I ask workshop attendees to fill in the blank: “I have to write this story because I _​_​_​_​_​_​_​_​.” I urge your readers to complete this exercise and keep the responses somewhere you can see them. Never lose sight of why you’re writing what you’re writing.

DO: You are also an accomplished speaker, teacher, and workshop presenter on all aspects of the business and craft of writing for children. What do you most enjoy about this aspect of your work? 

ED: Sharing my knowledge, expertise, and ideas about writing and revising with authors comes easily to me and I love the conversations and creativity that result. It’s also fun to share my “insider” knowledge about the children’s publishing business. I particularly enjoy the give-​and-​take with authors in a workshop or retreat setting, the exchange of ideas, the asking and answering of questions, and the “ah ha!” moments that always come for authors/​illustrators who are engaging deeply with their work in a nurturing, supportive environment. It’s gratifying to feel helpful and be allowed a gentle glimpse into people who are tapping deeply emotional places as they create their manuscripts and projects.

DO: And how can readers find out about where you are appearing in the future? 

ED: I don’t announce appearances on my website or have a calendar that people can follow. I do post about workshops, retreats, or webinars on Facebook and sometimes on my sometime-​blog, so I hope people will follow me on those platforms.

I am happy to share with your Only Picture Books audience that I will be co-​leading a Revision Retreat at the Highlights Foundation on November 14–17.

DO: You generously share information about children’s literature, the craft of writing for children, and the business side of children’s publishing on social media. Where can readers find and follow you? 

Website: https://drydenbks.com

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/emmaddryden and  https://www.facebook.com/drydenbks

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmaddryden/

My sometime-​blog, “Our Stories, Ourselves”: https://drydenbks.com/blog/

DO: One final question. What are three things that OPB readers would be surprised to learn about you? 

ED: That’s a fun one! Let’s see… readers might be surprised to learn:

To unwind or relax, I get really caught up in watching True Crime stories and contemplating what makes people do the things they do. (Admittedly, sometimes the crimes are so grisly and the criminals so fascinating and repugnant, it defeats the “unwind or relax” aspect of the viewing!)

I got my start in the children’s publishing business assisting Olé Risom, the Random House editor who edited Richard Scarry and Laurent de Brunhoff, so I had the pleasure of working with both. I grew up reading Scarry’s Busytown series and de Brunhoff’s Babar series, so to work and get to know these masters was an utterly delightful and serendipitous experience for which I’m so grateful.

I’m not afraid to speak in public, I’m not afraid to try new foods, I’m not afraid to travel by myself. I am, however, afraid of steep hills (going down or going up!)—much to the frustration of family and friends with whom I am supposed to be having fun skiing or hiking!

DO: Thanks so much, Emma!