Industry Insider Interviews: Tips, Advice, and More from 12 Editors & Agents

Last month’s round of tips, advice, and more from non-​OPB interviews was such a hit that we’re giving it another go this month. I’ve combed the internet far and wide to find even more useful picture book info from industry folks. See what you think!

I’ll see you back here next week (January 1st) for Only Picture Books’ 23 Favorites of 2023.


Winsome Bingham, Editor at Reycraft Books

from Picture Book Builders

I do not agree with you “that there are some elements good stories need, like conflict and tension, that keeps the story moving and the reader reading.” I see this all the time in craft books and I disagree. Many cultures do not tell stories this way. Yet, they tell amazingly good stories. We cannot dismiss stories because it doesn’t follow the standards of whiteness. We have to respect cultures and embrace those cultures and their style of storytelling. This is why we are at the point in publishing where there’s a need and cry for “diverse books and stories.” Authentic storytelling is not one way, it isn’t a cookie-​cutter narrative. Authentic storytelling is how that culture tells stories and what stories they deem necessary to be told. And I would hope that others would want to experience how different cultures document their stories.

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I love rhythm in writing. Rhyme is rhythm, but rhythm is not necessarily rhyme. I love to use onomatopoeia to break up the monotony of the text. So, my books tend to have a lot of poetic devices. I am all about musicality and cadence. The use of consonance, assonance, and alliteration adds a boppity-​bluesy feel to the text. When I was teaching, I learned the books that went over well with my students were the ones that were rhythmic in nature.


Brenda Bowen, Literary Agent at The Book Group

from JaneFriedman.com

The takeaway message to self-​published authors is to spend a lot of time and thought putting your book together. The Churchmans [a couple who self-​published] looked at formats and chose the largest trim size that could fit comfortably on standard shelves. They printed the book on 100lb paper—heavier stock than most traditional publishers can use—and also used extra heavy board for the hardcover case. They hired an editor to help them shape the text. And they mounted a Kickstarter campaign to fund their upfront costs. They took a lot of care.

Once the book was published, they truly believed in it and felt others would, too. That’s the moment to take the book to booksellers and librarians and teachers—when you have something that stands out in the marketplace and that’s backed by the courage of your own convictions.


Stephen Fraser, literary agent at The Jennifer De Chiara Literary Agency

from Marie Lamba

[I like] A writer who stays in touch every six weeks or so.  Agents aren’t paid until they sell a book, so clients need to be respectful and appreciative of an agent’s time. I don’t mind chatting on the phone or communicating via e‑mail. I don’t generally meet with clients who may be in Manhattan on vacation or for other business – I just don’t have the time.  If there is some event at a publisher which involves my client, that, of course, is different. And you know every writer is different. Some work very independently; some need more hand-​holding. And that is okay.

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Because I was previously an editor, that is always my instinct: to see the potential in a manuscript and figure out how to bring it to full flower. I am glad to toss ideas around with a client, read a partial, or give feedback on a full manuscript. Not all agents work that way. I won’t let a manuscript go out until I feel it is right. I am especially fussy with picture books.


Michelle Frey, Executive Editor at Knopf Children’s

from Picture Book Builders

I’m most likely to pass on rhyming picture books or picture books that cover ground that’s well-​trod (alphabet books, goodnight books). That’s both personal taste and a business decision.  For example, it’s extremely hard to pull off rhyme.  And in a market flooded with “goodnight” books, it can be hard to make another one stand out in the crowd.  Also, just as a matter of personal taste, I don’t like treacly-​sweet “I love you” books.

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One of the most common mistakes in picture book writing is saying too much. The writer does not carry all the weight—there will be a talented illustrator involved who will be bringing your text to life and interpreting it in their own way. This means that robust physical descriptions, for example, are usually repetitive.  And much about emotion can be communicated visually as well.  Picture books are like poetry—each word matters, and needs to be there for a reason.


Wendi Gu, Agent at Sanford J. Greenburger Associates

from EasternPennPoints

I tried writing something myself the other day and it was SO hard. Everything I put on the page felt stupid and I had every conviction that no one else would ever be interested in reading it. I gave up too quickly and started answering my work e‑mails instead. I’ll go back eventually—probably, maybe.

Writers, don’t take for granted that you are already putting your dreams into action by just getting something down on the page. Do you delight in the writing process? Good. Then you are already, in my book, living a successful life.


Alyssa Eisner Henkin, Birch Path Literary

from EasternPennPoints

First, when I started in children’s publishing, we were just beginning to see books like Harry Potter, A Series of Unfortunate Events, and The Spiderwick Chronicles become feature films, and it really ushered in a golden age of big blockbusters and bestsellers for kids’ books. The idea of co-​viewing and getting parents and kids to read and watch content together has really grown in the last twenty years. Second, we’ve seen graphic novels and illustrated fiction for middle grade and even YA become a much bigger part of the book landscape. And third, the era of power librarians and influencers building buzz about more literary books on social media has really taken shape over the last decade. It used to be books were either commercial/​high concept or literary/​librarian-​driven, and now many of the popular books are both commercial and literary.

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I think children’s publishing will continue to want to publish more diverse voices and more little-​heard point of views so the cannon of kidlit reflects the diversity of our world. I also think, given how many kids are using technology from the time they can hold an iPhone, the industry will continue to try new formats and initiatives to hook kids on reading, since we are competing with video games and apps even in the preschool age group.


Liz Kemp, Editor at Orca Book Publishers

from Orca blog

Editing picture and board books is not so much about changing words as it is project management. There is, of course, plenty of word changing, but a lot of my job is managing expectations.

An author pitches me a text that they have been writing and visualizing for some time (potentially, years!); I read this text and it inspires something in me to make me want to sign it and publish it as an Orca book; the Art Director reads it and has her own vision of what these words look like on the page and then hires an illustrator whose job it is to create a visual concept inspired by the story. We’ve gone from one person with an idea to four people with four ideas, and my job is to make sure that at the end of the day what we’ve created together is respectful of all of these separate visions.

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Picture books are a huge influence on a child in their foundational years, I’m very mindful of what message each book we publish is imprinting on soft squishy brains. I love to see dark humour in submissions, a reminder to children that there is also light where there is darkness.

And since I have this platform, what I really REALLY don’t like to see in submissions is name calling. I think it’s unnecessary and I don’t want my little readers to ever think it’s okay.


Jennifer Mattson, Agent at Andrea Brown Literary Agency

from Picture Book Builders

People in children’s book publishing are often drawn to this industry, at least in part, because it offers a chance to do something meaningful and positive in the world. I think it’s safe to say that with the start of the Trump administration, many acquiring editors feel uniquely positioned to help counter some of the policies or currents of opinion—about immigrants, about diversity, about LGBTQ issues, about science, and, of course, much more—by acquiring manuscripts that foster a different narrative. There was already a lot of love among editors for topics that develop empathy among young readers in all sorts of way—i.e., Doug Kuntz and Amy Shrode’s The Lost and Found Cat, focused on a refugee family; Selina Alko’s The Case for Loving: The Fight for Interracial Marriage; or your own Over the River & Through the Wood, which features an extended family at Thanksgiving that includes a gay and biracial couple. But there’s (if possible) an intensified level of passion behind publishing these kinds of books now. And, across the board (fiction and nonfiction, picture books and older fiction), there is an increased awareness of the need for more #ownvoices publishing, to use the hashtag shorthand for stories about diverse characters written by authors from that same diverse group.

When I started in children’s book publishing, as a marketing assistant at Penguin Putnam, most nonfiction picture books were instantly pegged as “institutional” (i.e., for the library and school market). Since then, I think authors, editors, and publishers have found ways of making nonfiction picture books that work for both the institutional market, and bookstore customers (known in the industry as the “trade” market). Our agency is particularly proud of I Dissent!, represented by my colleague Caryn Wiseman—which has made frequent appearances on The New York Times Bestseller list and the Indie Best lists, both key markers of bookstore sales. (My own 5‑year-​old has really responded to RBG’s story, and now regularly “dissents” to whatever I choose to serve her for dinner. )

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The most glorious part about being an agent is that moment when you share good news with an author or artist. That doesn’t happen daily, but luckily a job as a children’s‑book literary agent has no shortage of happy tasks. My background is in editorial (I was an editor at Dutton Children’s Books for about five years), so I love to sink my teeth into providing editorial feedback. But I also spent five years as a kids’-book reviewer at Booklist, where I wrote 24 book reviews every month. I find that writing pitch letters—i.e., brief descriptions of a project, addressed to editors/publishers—allows me to tap back into what I enjoyed about reviewing (minus the uncomfortable parts of having to be a critic!)


Natascha Morris, Senior Literary Agent at The Tobias Agency

from Johnell Dewitt

I can tell from the first page if I want to read on. I tag as I look through things: yes, no, further investigation needed. I am looking for specific stories now and specific writing qualities. If it is something I might be interested in, I give it three chapters. I need to be compelled in three chapters or I pass. After that, if I am still interested, I request. Once a full manuscript comes in, I read it with an eye for how much work it will need, and if I have a vision or feel compelled. I have perfectly lovely manuscripts that I pass on because I just didn’t find that passion. And passion drives the ship. When you are neck deep in 13 passes from editors, you want to feel that spark of joy that makes you say, “Screw this, I know I am right.”

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Don’t play to market. You are not writing for today, you are writing for tomorrow. Be inventive.

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This business can be very disheartening. As an author, you take a lot of knocks. I take them, too. Don’t lose your joy. Remember why you wanted this in the first place. 


Meredith Mundy, Editorial Director of Abrams Appleseed

from Picture Book Builders

Editors take projects they are excited about to an Editorial Meeting first—attended by all the other children’s book editors. If that group is enthusiastic about the proposal, then it goes to a second meeting called “Pub Board.” At that point, we have gathered up a list of comp titles, any relevant info about the author (including their sales tracks if one exists), and we have estimated costs to see what the financial picture might look like for each project. This meeting is attended by a lot of folks: our Sales, Sub Rights, Design, Digital, Finance, Executive, and Marketing & Publicity teams. It’s a tough crowd, as it should be! It costs a LOT of time and money to create each book, and we want to be sure that the whole company is 100% on board before we make an offer for publication. It’s so exciting when we DO get that green light and are able to make an offer!

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It happens occasionally that an author will suggest an illustrator and that person gets chosen to work on the book, but the decision really lies with the art director, and more often than not, the AD will have a dozen other illustrator suggestions in the hopper to be considered. I am always amazed by the wonderful artists our designers and art directors come up with for projects I may have had very different visions for initially!

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Always have several picture book ideas in your back pocket. Your first idea or manuscript may not be the one that inspires and delights an editor, but if there is interest in your tone or style or sense of humor, be ready to submit something new to see if it might hit the mark!


Monica Rodriguez, Agent at Context Literary Agency

from Latinx in Publishing

I think as writers we often forget how many plates agents have to spin and that most agents still need a day job to survive financially. Being on the other side of things helped me understand timing and what goes into deciding what projects to represent. While there are so many wonderful stories out there that I may fall in love with, there’s also an element of how I can make this book great and if I can sell it. Oftentimes, as writers we idolize the idea of getting an agent and forget that it is a business partnership as well. The reason why it takes so long for agents to get back to writers right away is because clients come first and it takes time to read, to make sure the project will be the right partnership. That being said, I wish I knew how much went into agenting before I started querying because now a rejection isn’t something I worry about and I understand if it takes long, it actually might be a good thing. It’s all about patience, right timing and working on your craft in the meantime.


Jennifer Rofé, Senior Agent at Andrea Brown Literary Agency

from Picture Book Builders

A big part of this process for me is trying to make sure that the surface story and takeaway are strong enough to catch an editor’s attention and enable them to see the bigger picture. I’m not an editor in the way that your editor, Frances Gilbert, is and she will definitely make Bad Dog [the interviewer’s book] an even stronger, more focused, and nuanced story. But I want to be sure that a new project is as strong as the client and I can possibly make it in order to usher it forward to an editor. Another part of this process is identifying a client’s writing or illustrating tics. For example, if I may put you on the spot – one of your tics is the way you initially draw a character’s nose or mouth, so I point it out to you and encourage you to try something different. For other illustrators, it might be a specific composition that they regularly rely on. For authors, it might be word choices or story structures. A trickier part of this process is identifying if a new project is living up to a client’s potential. Is this at least as strong as their last work? Is this even stronger and representative of new heights for a client?

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[if a project doesn’t get acquired]

Then we reevaluate. Responses from editors can help us see a flaw that we didn’t notice and we might revise from there. Or perhaps we find that the market isn’t interested in this project right now, so we shelve it – for the time being or for always. Or perhaps it’s a matter of finding the editor who connects deeply with the project. Or perhaps it’s timing – the project isn’t working right now, but in a handful of months or even a year, it has a better chance of working (for a variety of factors). Sometimes a project I think will be a hard sell can sell quickly. Sometimes a project I think is a slam dunk, won’t sell at all.

And sometimes, responses from editors will prove that you should have listened to your agent.

Editor Interview: Meredith Mundy (Abrams Appleseed)

Welcome to Meredith Mundy, the Editorial Director at Abrams Appleseed. With a career spanning over two decades, Meredith’s keen eye for quality has helped discover and nurture many talented authors and illustrators. Her work on everything from an alphabet book showcasing Persian foods to a picture book debut (with flaps to lift!) about a very picky panda shows her dedication to uncovering hidden gems and bringing them to a wider audience

Meredith’s dedication goes beyond her role as an editor, as she is known to champion authors with unique vision and talent. Her triumph in giving the green light to projects that are unconventional yet promising showcases her leadership in the field.

To give you a glimpse into Meredith’s personality and passions, here are 7 Fun Facts:

  • Favorite Picture Book Characters from Childhood: Sam, from Sam, Bangs & Moonshine by Evaline Ness, and Lyle from Lyle, Lyle Crocodile by Bernard Waber
  • Current Picture Book Favorites (not from Abrams): School’s First Day of School by Adam Rex and Christian Robinson, Love in the Library by Maggie Tokuda-​Hall and Yas Imamura, A Sick Day for Amos McGee by Philip C. Stead and Erin E. Stead
  • Best Moment in Editing: Every time I’ve helped an author find the perfect title (so much harder than it looks!)
  • Favorite Picture Book Genre: Anything with humor and heart—fiction or nonfiction
  • Motto for Selecting Manuscripts: Is it special enough?
  • Go-​To Bookstore: McNally Jackson Books at South Street Seaport (excellent children’s section)
  • Culinary Talent: I make a mean brunch: artichoke & red pepper quiche + my mom’s Morning Glory Muffin recipe

What a list, right?

Now, without further ado, let’s dive into the interview and uncover more about Meredith and her work in the kidlit industry!


RVC: When did you realize editing was your pathway forward?

MM: My brilliant 6th grade teacher, Mrs. Meyers, allowed each of her students to pick out someone in the community to shadow for an entire day. Some kids shadowed veterinarians, firefighters, train conductors, but I wanted to “meet the person who makes the books,” so she connected me with an editor at a local publisher, and I was hooked! He was so passionate about his work, and the fact that he got to read for much of the day sealed the deal.

RVC: When you were getting your BA in Comparative Literature with a minor in Studio Art at Smith College, what was the intended career outcome?

MM: As improbable as it sounds, I held onto my dream of being “the person who makes the books” from 6th grade all the way through college, serving as a peer writing tutor and library assistant as part of my work-​study arrangement, and taking two years of bookmaking with the intensely talented woodcut artist and sculptor Elliot Offner. In that class we were required to write, illustrate, typeset (lead letter by delicate lead letter, sometimes using tweezers, especially for the skinny lowercase “i”), print, bind, and sell a small print run of books. What an experience it was to create a book from beginning to end like that! I always sort of assumed I would be an editor of adult books, but when I did an informational interview with a Smith alum who adored her job as a children’s book editor and knew of an editorial assistant position, I jumped at the chance, and I haven’t looked back.

RVC: I’ve got to ask. How was your junior year abroad at the Sorbonne?

MM: Fantastique! (Or, as my French pen pal would have written back in the day: “Super-​mega-​top!”) There is nothing more humbling or more eye-​opening than living as a foreigner in a foreign land. In my program, we were not allowed to speak English, so our language skills improved quickly out of sheer survival necessity. It was intimidating to take classes in French, but I loved the novels we read, especially L’amant (The Lover) by Marguerite Duras and Que Ma Joie Demeure (That My Joy Remain) by Jean Giono. Amazing books.

RVC: You’ve worked at a lot of big publishers, but you’ve been with Abrams for about six years. Why is that a great fit? 

MM: I’ve loved every publishing job I’ve had and am so grateful for the incredible mentors who taught me how to be an editor while on the job. Abrams is a great fit because at this stage in my career what I value most is the support of a brilliant team and a lot of creative freedom. Our publisher and associate publisher truly value and reward editors’ passions and instincts, which is a tremendous gift.

RVC: What’s the most important thing for people to know or understand about Appleseed?

MM: We try to never underestimate the capacity of a young reader and want all kids to be able to see themselves in our books.

RVC: What’s the philosophy behind Appleseed books? How do you ensure a wide readership?

MM: From its inception, Appleseed has been about pairing the comfort of familiar objects or situations with a twist on the familiar—something unexpected. When acquiring new projects, we look for aspects that make a book as universal as possible, but we’re also thrilled by book submissions that appear at first to be somewhat narrow in scope but are just too delightful or special to resist and in fact could end up reaching a wide readership.

RVC: What’s the most difficult aspect of your work?

MM: Dealing with the financial challenges of making four-​color books. There hasn’t been a book yet that I haven’t been able to make due to high costs, but there is a ton of time-​consuming, behind-​the-​scenes trial and error effort involved in getting a P&L (profit and loss sheet) for a picture book or board book to balance before an offer can even be made to an author or illustrator.

RVC: What is your approach to editing a picture book manuscript? How do you work with authors to maintain their vision while enhancing the story?

MM: As much as possible, I try to take the “I” out of the equation. It doesn’t matter what “I” think or want—what matters is shaping the best possible version of an author’s manuscript for the benefit of their readers. So, I ask a LOT of questions in my editorial notes, which gives authors the opportunity to solve problems in whatever way feels right to them. Nine times out of ten, a solution an author comes back with surprises and delights me and is better than anything I would have thought to suggest.

RVC: In your experience, what are some common mistakes made by authors writing picture books, and how can they avoid them?

MM: 90% of the time, we reject a submission because it’s just not special or original enough. Absolutely everyone thinks they can write a book for children. And that’s true! But can everyone write a children’s book that adds something truly new and needed to what’s already out there? That’s a much bigger challenge.

RVC: What’s the most memorable piece of advice you’ve given to a picture book author that made a significant difference in their work?

MM: A few years ago I received a young rhyming picture book submission about penguins that was well-​written and funny but too slight for a hardcover. I rejected it but then couldn’t stop thinking about it—the writing stuck with me. I emailed the agent back and asked if the author might consider really delving into the subject and making the book nonfiction. The author revised expertly, writing a lyrical (still-​rhyming) nonfiction text with a terrific author’s note about the incredible hardships endured by emperor penguins as they raise their chicks, and in its new form, I was able to acquire it! It’s Penguin Journey, written by Angela Burke Kunkel and illustrated by Catherine Odell.

RVC: I love that story…almost as much as I love penguins (which is a LOT!). Now, please share insights on current trends in picture books, and where you think the industry is headed.

MM: Picture book editors across the industry are striving toward greater inclusivity and these efforts will continue to inform editorial decisions. We want our readers and their families to see themselves in the characters and settings and situations pictured in our books. With all the book-​banning threats cropping up across the U.S., many publishers are defiantly publishing for ALL readers who need to be seen and validated.

RVC: In previous interviews, you’ve mentioned the importance of finding the right “comp” titles. How has this approach evolved over the years, and how does it inform your decision-​making process?

MM: Comparison titles continue to be a very important part of the acquisitions process, allowing our Sales, Marketing, and Publicity teams to see where a prospective book might fit in the marketplace and on our list. If we can find already-​published books that prove a particular topic or genre is wanted and needed by book-​buyers, then it’s much easier for the acquisitions team to imagine a brand-​new project forging a successful path. Even a book proposal that appears to be a true one-​of-​a-​kind can be creatively compared to something else on the market. That’s one way comp title lists have evolved—we’re not necessarily looking for one-​to-​one comparisons, but rather glimpses into what a book’s potential could be compared to other books that have found a welcoming readership.

RVC: How do you build consensus within your in-​house team to take a chance on unique or unconventional projects? What challenges have you faced in this process?

MM: It all starts in our editorial meetings, where editors bring promising submissions and discuss the upsides and downsides of each one. There’s really no such thing as “not my cup of tea.” Is the book something readers need that doesn’t already exist in the world? Is there a hole in the market that a book would fill? If the answer to one or both questions is “yes,” and enough people are enthusiastic about a project, it goes to our Pub Board for discussion with the larger group, including Sales, Marketing, and Publicity. In both these meetings editors need to make a convincing argument for why a book and/​or creator belong on the list.

It is sometimes challenging to make a case for a book that at first appears as though it might have a limited audience, but if you can find the universal elements in a project that would appeal to the greatest number of readers OR if you can convince the team that a book might just be the first on a particular topic, then a book often gets a green light. We so appreciate agents and authors who help us make these arguments by including detailed information in their cover letters!

RVC: What are some upcoming picture book projects that you’re particularly excited about?

MM: I’m excited about ALL of them, but I’ll pick four coming out in 2024 that have been especially delightful to work on: a joyful celebration of great Black leaders called Hair Like Obama’s, Hands Like LeBron’s written by Carole Boston Weatherford and illustrated by Savanna Durr; a very funny approach to social etiquette and making guests feel welcome called We’re Having a Party (for Everyone!), written and illustrated by Katie Vernon; an empowering story about a girl performing for the first time in her mother’s mariachi band called Mamiachi and Me written by mother-​son duo Jolene and Dakota Gutiérrez and illustrated by Mirelle Ortega; and a dreamy alphabet book about mindfulness called ABCs for a Peaceful Me written by Shelly Becker and illustrated by Dan Yaccarino.

RVC: Hold onto your apples, folks, because it’s now time for the EXTENDED SPEED ROUND with double the fun as normal. WOWZA! Here come a whole bunch of blasty-​fasty questions followed by an equal number of zippy-​zappy answers. Are you ready, Meredith?

MM: Lay ’em on me!

RVC: Funniest word in the English language?

MM: Flibbertigibbet!

RVC: If animals could talk, which would be the most annoying?

MM: Squirrels.

RVC: Go‑to song for the car when you’re driving by yourself?

MM: Whatever’s playing on XM Radio’s Broadway station. This morning: “Consider Yourself” from Oliver!

RVC: Favorite time of day?

MM: 5:30am when the birds start chirping.

RVC: Favorite summer activity?

MM: Night swimming.

RVC: Favorite kind of tea?

MM: Harney & Sons Vanilla Comoro.

RVC: Favorite practical joke to play on houseguests?

MM: Life-​size rubber alligator in the bathtub!

RVC: Books on your nightstand right now?

MM: The Sorrows of Others by Ada Zhang, Musical Tables by Billy Collins, and my “One Line a Day” 5‑year memory journal.

RVC: What’s a book that changed your perspective on picture books?

MM: Where the Wild Things Are, by Maurice Sendak. I took a college seminar on children’s books at Smith and we spent a VERY long time dissecting the design and text and character arc within that single 48-​page book. Getting a guided tour of its inner workings gave me my first inkling that the picture book was an art form I wanted to dive into more deeply.

RVC: What’s the biggest risk you’ve taken in your career?

MM: Jumping from a house where I was editing books for readers of all ages to my current position in which I edit only books for 0–5 (with the occasional older outlier). It’s been a joy to focus deeply on one age group, but it definitely felt like a risky move at first.

RVC: Final question! What’s one word that best describes your editing style?

MM: Collaborative.

RVC: Thanks so much, Meredith!